Other characters in the game don't have 7f low starters so why should he? The majority of the cast projectiles are -9 or -10 on block why should he be different? I don't understand why people think this is ok and doesn't need changing or tweaking?
day one. and no 7f low day one was not to much when it was all he had. Now that it isn't anymore it needs to be tweaked. That is the point of "balancing" Not just adding on stuff every patch with "take" That is how you get an overpowering character. Which is where we kinda are at this point in time.
Injustice.....yuck. anyways goro projectile is super slow that why its -3. and if you want to make nok f4 only 7f if you use meter (lmao) then your "some characters have 7 frame reversals that are alot worse than his Low" is something i could get on board with. And Predator is busted we all know that. He need to get hit with the nerf bat along with nok! lol
7f low is a no. and so is dark beam being -4 on block. Well just have to see what happens when the patch drops. Either way im good. but if they nerf my character a bit I guess i could feel less dirty about a win or two on my part.
? I wasnt comparing a normal to an armor wake up just now.
I see what your saying. well have to see. It just seem a bit to fast for what it grants you. I see alot of people saying change some thing to the f4 string before the 3rd hit in f4,1 d2. if dark beam was less safer and f4 was slower that would balance the string out. SZ and kotal have 10f strings and they are viable.
Its also a straw man because he has another move(I think its F3?) that has a VERY similar animation and is safe on block(it isnt OH though obviously). So all a good Shinnok would have to do is mix it up between that and the overhead and the opponent would eventually stop trying to punish the overhead for fear of getting blown up. (F3 can be punished by 5f reversals though, so Cassie is like the only one without this issue).
My point was not that punishing the overhead in itself is the problem. My point is that if people aren't doing it, and are generally NOT playing the matchup well, then they have no right to complain about Shinnok. Punishing the overhead on block isn't even the only way to blow it up. If Shinnok does anything besides the guaranteed low then he can be punished. Nobody is exploiting this, so everyone needs to stop complaining.
You are going to get the same Hate I get when I always say people need to take more Risks when they play Shinnok. It is only a 1 frame link after the re-stand, and maybe a 2 frame link after EX Hell Sparks. People just assume its guaranteed and just block.
I tried it in the lab, and it's very, very easy to practice an option select after the MB hell spark which will blow up the F4 if it wasn't linked in time, and will block it if Shinnok linked it in time.
I mentioned in the OP that most Shinnok players have already talked about this nerf, we've been saying it's all he needs for quite some time.
