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RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
I look at a 6-4 matchup that is a slight disadvantage. 7-3, you have to guess right quite a lot where as they don't have to work nearly as hard. Batman qualifies for this IMO.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
I look at a 6-4 matchup that is a slight disadvantage. 7-3, you have to guess right quite a lot where as they don't have to work nearly as hard. Batman qualifies for this IMO.
We are not good examples of "top level Banes" so don't take last night's beatings with as much weight as you feel. Its not that bad.
 

Qwark28

Joker waiting room
We are not good examples of "top level Banes" so don't take last night's beatings with as much weight as you feel. Its not that bad.
His bane could not be high lvl ( even if you don't know that ) but it doesn't take specific game skill to breakdown a matchup and the options a char has against another.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
His bane could not be high lvl ( even if you don't know that ) but it doesn't take specific game skill to breakdown a matchup and the options a char has against another.
Although true, he didn't have this opinion (or at least not openly) until last night's lobby.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
Although true, he didn't have this opinion (or at least not openly) until last night's lobby.
True, I didn't. I truly thought it was 6-4, but if you actually think that Batman we played was SKILLED as a player/thinker, you're insane brother. A scrubby Batman can beat 3-4 competent Bane players who are far from scrubs, that SCREAMS 7-3 matchup

Rinse repeat, it's so easy and hard to stop as well. Spam trait and projectiles, Bane can't charge through so he has to dash block in while he's getting ass raped w/chip damage. He does get in and has VERY few options to stop Batman's ridiculous jump in moves if done right. Does his combos, has plenty of meter and runs away and rinse repeat. I don't see how it's not 7-3 my man
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
True, I didn't. I truly thought it was 6-4, but if you actually think that Batman we played was SKILLED as a player/thinker, you're insane brother. A scrubby Batman can beat 3-4 competent Bane players who are far from scrubs, that SCREAMS 7-3 matchup

Rinse repeat, it's so easy and hard to stop as well. Spam trait and projectiles, Bane can't charge through so he has to dash block in while he's getting ass raped w/chip damage. He does get in and has VERY few options to stop Batman's ridiculous jump in moves if done right. Does his combos, has plenty of meter and runs away and rinse repeat. I don't see how it's not 7-3 my man
You charged into about 3 parries for free. I'm not particularly familiar with the batman MU either.
Batarangs do 1% in chip give or take. You can take 3% in chip in exchange for about 30% once you get in. Batman can't "spam trait", and the rangs are a free dash in. The only thing is the j.2 which is what gives us the troubles and makes it not in our advantage. Outside of that, its far far from 7-3. 6-4 means that while its not the best conditions there's still a fair chance, which there is.

We lost to a scrubby Batman. It happens, that same batman lost to a d.2 d.2 aquaman, which I then proceeded to body mercilessly.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
Doombawkz. I played him 3 times. Obviously the first time I tried to scrub him out, didn't work. The 2nd and 3rd time, you literally have to play almost perfect. It's his ability to keep Bane out IMO that makes it 7-3. Once he's in jumping range, we have to risk Venom Upper w/armor to stop the J2 and if he baits it and blocks it, we eat much more damage.

And that's my point: A scrubby aquaman beat a scrubby batman, that all the more proves how skewed Batman has to work vs Bane and vice versa. The MU is not impossible, but it's highly unlikely a top level Bane knocks out a top level Batman. I have less problems w/Superman and that's saying something
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Doombawkz. I played him 3 times. Obviously the first time I tried to scrub him out, didn't work. The 2nd and 3rd time, you literally have to play almost perfect. It's his ability to keep Bane out IMO that makes it 7-3. Once he's in jumping range, we have to risk Venom Upper w/armor to stop the J2 and if he baits it and blocks it, we eat much more damage.

And that's my point: A scrubby aquaman beat a scrubby batman, that all the more proves how skewed Batman has to work vs Bane and vice versa. The MU is not impossible, but it's highly unlikely a top level Bane knocks out a top level Batman. I have less problems w/Superman and that's saying something
I saw you get snagged by things that you should have been capable of avoiding. Hell, even MLGzus caught him with about 7 or 8 AA grabs (which are surprisingly good btw) and lost out because of his command grab habits. Keep us out? He can batarang, trait, and zip line. All 3 let us cover half the screen and if he jumps away, cover another half and sit in his face. If you know his only option to open us up is that j.2, then double punch his arse.

And no, a scrubby aqua beat the scrubby batman's scrubby doomsday. The same your supes could've beaten. We lost, if we based every MU off of our own experiences then the tier lists would be in shambles. We have to work hard in every MU, we just usually don't have to deal with the bat. You act like every other battle is a simple walk in the park.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
Doombawkz GL, Superman and others I feel are 6-4. I look at how hard I have to work, that's how I've viewed matches I participate in and as well as seeing top level players. Granted, as you know, there are not a lot of vids of top level banes so I go by tools and experience. Superman is 6-4 to me, his wakeup is ass and that's another topic. GL I feel is 6-4 too cause once we get in, he has to risk half life doing his lift.

What major risk does Batman have to take? His J2 is so powerful. And he hit him w/how many AA grabs and still couldn't beat him and I think MLGzus is a competent player. Take a competent bane and competent Batman and look at their frames, tools, etc. Sure, if we get in, we blow ANYBODY on the roster up, no question. I don't think it's 8-2 or impossible, I think 7-3 based on how hard it is to get in. How many times did ALL of us get snagged w/something stupid? You literally cannot make too many mistakes vs Batman, even the scrubby ones.

Think of it this way: A SCRUBBY Batman bodied 4 competent Bane players. Imagine a guy as smart as us using Batman, you think we would have won any matches? Why is it that 4 Banes couldn't beat him? This guy's guessing skills were atrocious. His ability to adapt more poor than Ethiopia.

And no, I don't act like every battle is a walk in the park, not at all. Bane is a thinking char, has to make several guesses and resets and has to always watch his trait. But Batman/NW are just too much
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Its not hard to get in though. All of us got in, but we all got scrubbed out for whatever reason. And he hit him with about 8 of them, they don't do THAT much damage. He also punished every batslide with a d.1 and nothing else, when a b.23 would've done a much better job. We all made mistakes, that doesn't say a thing about the MU.
 

chief713

Vertebral Subluxationist
Dude, if three different Bane players who are competent and practically live on this forum and pioneer tech are getting bodied by day 1 scrub Batman, then the MU is probably ass. Also, I'm not understanding how it's not hard to get in on Batman. That trait...
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Dude, if three different Bane players who are competent and practically live on this forum and pioneer tech are getting bodied by day 1 scrub Batman, then the MU is probably ass. Also, I'm not understanding how it's not hard to get in on Batman. That trait...
The batman was scrubby, he fired off his trait at full screen instead of using it to cover himself coming in. We all got scrubbed out, it happens. I've been scrubbed out by Deathstroke before, but imo that MU is in our favor now. Bats isn't easy, but one scrub beating a few decent people? Happens, literally, ALL THE TIME.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
If the Batman was good, at our level, or better, maybe it's 6-4 and we can chalk it off at his skill level. But I know scrubs when I see them and the Bane players I've been playing on this forum are far from scrubs. I'm sure there are scrubby Banes that post here but I have yet to play them. My point being, he was SOOOO bad (MLGzus and Doombawkz can agree to this much) and STILL had almost a 10 game streak. He picked Doomsday when an Aquaman showed up. Truly, you know what he lost to? Aquaman doing D2 over and over. It's like some 9 year old beat us, that's beyond silly to me
 

JaredL

Aww shit <REDACTED DUE TO FEELINGS> its Shapzam
Batman doesn't need to work hard to keep Bane out.

Hello trait one at a time and batarangs. Goodbye Bane.

Probably a 7-3
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Batman doesn't need to work hard to keep Bane out.

Hello trait one at a time and batarangs. Goodbye Bane.

Probably a 7-3
Block dash, block dash, let him jump back into the corner while I take about 10% in chip.

Followed directly by laughing at his wake-up attacks for 18 seconds.
 

chief713

Vertebral Subluxationist
The batman was scrubby, he fired off his trait at full screen instead of using it to cover himself coming in. We all got scrubbed out, it happens. I've been scrubbed out by Deathstroke before, but imo that MU is in our favor now. Bats isn't easy, but one scrub beating a few decent people? Happens, literally, ALL THE TIME.
Maybe once or twice, yea. But a scrub getting consistent win streaks on good players doesn't happen unless it's a bad matchup.
 

JaredL

Aww shit <REDACTED DUE TO FEELINGS> its Shapzam
Block dash, block dash, let him jump back into the corner while I take about 10% in chip.

Followed directly by laughing at his wake-up attacks for 18 seconds.

Its pretty hard to dash that properly due to the naturally inconsistent way that his trait at a time works. Plus, if he wants, he can easily meterburn his batarangs for huge blockstun, locking you down. And he doesn't find it hard to get meter when hes keeping you pinned down.

With Batman, its a hell to get in, and while he does have shitty wake up options, he does have good pressure himself.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Maybe once or twice, yea. But a scrub getting consistent win streaks on good players doesn't happen unless it's a bad matchup.
There were 4 of us in the room. He had a streak of 10.
Meaning everyone lost twice in total, and I ballsed up a combo at the end otherwise I woulda caught the win.

Also mustard bodied out plenty of Batmans with pre-patch Bane when he took 5th in the Euro tourney. These are non-scrubby batmans and, as I said, pre-patch Bane. Obviously the results aren't consistant, and I can't imagine buffs making a MU worse for us.
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Its pretty hard to dash that properly due to the naturally inconsistent way that his trait at a time works. Plus, if he wants, he can easily meterburn his batarangs for huge blockstun, locking you down. And he doesn't find it hard to get meter when hes keeping you pinned down.

With Batman, its a hell to get in, and while he does have shitty wake up options, he does have good pressure himself.
If he chanses upon 4 meter, he will build about 1/3th of a single bar burning every single batarang, firing off trait, and the like. In the time it takes him to activate his trait (if he is firing it off one at a time) we get a dash. Every batarang, a dash. If he wastes all of his meter burning them, more power to him but the lack of a push block, wager capability, and meter burning for his combos will hurt him more.
 

RWDY Nori

Where is crossplay?
So basically if you lose against a character used in a scrubby manner, and other people do too, its automatically a losing MU?
People are still losing by the dozen to god awful doomsdays, and he is a 6-4 for us.
Ok, now you're losing me in the argument. We all agree it's a bad MU already. You said yourself Bane loses 6-4. I'm not really understanding why it's so important for me to say it's 6-4 vs 7-3 to be honest. IMO, it's 7-3 and I gave my reasons and opinion why. You are stating 6-4, ok cool. However, that's still a losing MU, no?
 

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
Ok, now you're losing me in the argument. We all agree it's a bad MU already. You said yourself Bane loses 6-4. I'm not really understanding why it's so important for me to say it's 6-4 vs 7-3 to be honest. IMO, it's 7-3 and I gave my reasons and opinion why. You are stating 6-4, ok cool. However, that's still a losing MU, no?
Theres a difference between 7-3 and 6-4 as you stated yourself. 6-4 is difficult but manageable, while 7-3 is us having to do 90% more work while in reality its the same amount of work just applied in a different way. 6-4 isn't often considered a "losing" MU so much as a "disadvantageous" MU. If you run a 6-4 against someone, you have an advantage but its not particularly or completely in your favour.