Match-up Discussion Reptile Matchup Discussion Thread

[Briggs8417]

Reptile_8417
Lol i like how we got the same reaction

yeah those were pretty similar haha.
I'm upset with myself as a player right now hahaha.

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[RapZiLLa54]

Her frame data is fucking confusing (i'm not the best with it lol). Shes +1 on a blocked f1 (out of military stance, the low punches after reset) and karthwell is 20+ frames. But I can't tell what the canceling advantage is Somberness so I'm not sure if we can interrupt it, I think we can

 

[THTB]

He doesn't have cancel advantage up. That's just raw hit/block advantage. While we're on the subject...why in the fuck is MSf1 +1 on block??? Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind this character is likely #1 in the entire game.

 

[salvificblood]

He doesn't have cancel advantage up. That's just raw hit/block advantage. While we're on the subject...why in the fuck is MSf1 +1 on block??? Yeah, there's no doubt in my mind this character is likely #1 in the entire game.

Lol, usedforglue has been saying for ages that Sonya is stupidly good. She's completely safe and her pressure is neverending. The iadivekick into full combo and reset is just... I am sorry, come again? I gave up on beating Foxy's Sonya when he ia divekicked me into full combo after I hit him with Sub's d4, also why can she d4 somebody's tech roll on wakeup and lift them into a full combo off it?

She's a very bad woman as much as Johnny cage is a very bad man.

 

[Somberness]

Her frame data is fucking confusing (i'm not the best with it lol). Shes +1 on a blocked f1 (out of military stance, the low punches after reset) and karthwell is 20+ frames. But I can't tell what the canceling advantage is Somberness so I'm not sure if we can interrupt it, I think we can

Sorry, I still need to fix her cancel advantage.

 

[Salad Petresky]

I swear, I dont think people how good is this character is. She can try to get out of free pressure with no risk and 1 bar. She is the "wall of sonya" in china of course. I was playing sonya vs jc today, totally annihilated... and its vs JC. Ive been telling people that she and raiden are top 5

Few info about sonya
D4 on hit, you will have to block Mil into f1
from mil into f1 allows for kartwheel or not mix up.

btw anyone find any videos of sonya vs reptile in tournaments?

 

[RapZiLLa54]

Sorry, I still need to fix her cancel advantage.

No need to apologize man, your work for the community has been incredible.

 

[RapZiLLa54]

http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/308289947

For some action on the Freddy matchup check the link and go 50:00 in. This is the match that got me into the Top 8.

 

[Salad Petresky]

http://www.twitch.tv/kombatnetwork/b/308289947

For some action on the Freddy matchup check the link and go 50:00 in. This is the match that got me into the Top 8.

I actually saw the MU with freddy and Im starting to pick up some patterns for that MU so thank you.

However my friend and I we were able to figure out how to beat her sheeva's stomp as reptile. You need to rewire your brain not to jump, but to dash. The funny thing about that stomp is that if you dash, she has to be infront or on you. You can do a acid ball or a dash in and pressure. If she is behind you, the dash wouldnt come out and therefore the 2 would come out and hit her anyways lol

 

[Seapeople]

However my friend and I we were able to figure out how to beat her sheeva's stomp as reptile. You need to rewire your brain not to jump, but to dash. The funny thing about that stomp is that if you dash, she has to be infront or on you. You can do a acid ball or a dash in and pressure. If she is behind you, the dash wouldnt come out and therefore the 2 would come out and hit her anyways lol

Yeah I like to use dash too since you always have a chance to guess wrong by jumping. So you're saying that elbow dash avoids the front & neutral stomp, and 2 punishes the back stomp?

 

[Salad Petresky]

Yeah I like to use dash too since you always have a chance to guess wrong by jumping. So you're saying that elbow dash avoids the front & neutral stomp, and 2 punishes the back stomp?

Yeah, so she really doesnt have any option to counter it. If she is at front/ neutral she is gonna have to block the fb or dash pressure mix up. If she is back stomped, she will get hit by 2. And 2 is also a command with a dash, so its very convenient and its not really a guessing game

 

[RapZiLLa54]

After some more time in the lab I've found some enhanced moves we can full combo with perfect timing using either 122 or 321 starter.

You have to duck the first hit and go for the glory.

Scorpions Ex teleport (although d4 into forceball is much easier)
Kitanas cutter or ex cutter
Nightwolfs shoulder or enhanced shoulder
Jax dash punch or ex dash punch (d4 into forceball is much easier)

 

[THTB]

So I think Reptile vs Jax may be slight advantage in Reptile's favor again (Foxy inspired this thought). The thing that kills Jax is the fact that Jax's extremely weak punishment midscreen results in you being able to take way more risks outside the corner simply because you don't die for getting blocked. This means slide is extremely good here, and even elbow. Because it crouches the projectile better than the Subs and can move Reptile out of range from mid gp, as well as ducks under dash punch, it helps in forcing Jax to be hesitant in his zoning. The only thing it really loses to is EX overhead and blocking. Also, Reptile having a low hitbox hurts Jax simply because he loses tools such as f41.

Note, not saying major advantage, but minor. Reptile has solid options to deal with Jax in every area, and his most unsafe options aren't really that risky against Jax.

 

[THTB]

OOO NEW SHIT FOR VS SEKTOR!

I learned Reptile can keep up with Sektor in projectiles way better than I originally thought. The key is to be ready to techroll if you're throwing a projectile and a missile gets on screen. If you spit, and see missile, mash your buttons. Upon rolling, immediately spit. You can potentially get spit out and not be nailed by missile from range. YAY REPTILE CAN THROW PROJECTILES VS SEKTOR AND KEEP UP!

 

[Salad Petresky]

THTB@ Sektor has an ex teleport as a combo starter though. So reptile has to be more careful against sektor when zoning though while sektor doesnt really have to. I would say that reptile might even be at an adv in this MU considering he is the only few that can punish ex teleport and burner

Against jax I think dash is really really good, I mean the best he can do is like 17%

 

[Salad Petresky]

Since THTB is on this topic might as well share what I know about sonya. Heres one way to counter wake up kartwheel. If you knock down sonya with a dash... Do a double dash (let the 2nd dash finish, dont cancel it), then do a sfb. Sonya will get hit if she does ex kartwheel, she can however do an arc kick but its a risk.

 

[THTB]

THTB@ Sektor has an ex teleport as a combo starter though. So reptile has to be more careful against sektor when zoning though while sektor doesnt really have to. I would say that reptile might even be at an adv in this MU considering he is the only few that can punish ex teleport and burner

Against jax I think dash is really really good, I mean the best he can do is like 17%

Yeah, I know Sektor has TU, but before that, Reptile couldn't keep up in the projectile war due to missile knocking down. The knockdown isn't a factor now, and now you can trade if need be and be okay.

That's good stuff for fighting Sonya. That matchup is so hard...Reptile needs whatever he can get.

 

[THTB]

Ugh...Sonya's so hard to fight. :/

 

[M2Dave]

Ugh...Sonya's so hard to fight. :/

How difficult is she for Reptile?

Recently, I've noticed she can be a very difficult match up for Freddy too if the player knows how to approach.

 

[THTB]

It's stupid. I can't straight up outdo her in projectiles, and up close is pretty much elbow and pray she's not blocking/divekicking/in the air period...or d4 randomly. After talking to PL, I have some ideas, but this matchup is seriously not easy.

 

[RTM2004]

It's stupid. I can't straight up outdo her in projectiles, and up close is pretty much elbow and pray she's not blocking/divekicking/in the air period...or d4 randomly. After talking to PL, I have some ideas, but this matchup is seriously not easy.

Who is tougher for Reptile, Cage or Sonya? I think these two characters stop him from doing anything up close. It's like his Dash and Slide will get blown up when they block it. Sonya's Dive Kick auto-corrects his Dash too.

 

[Derptile]

Who is tougher for Reptile, Cage or Sonya? I think these two characters stop him from doing anything up close. It's like his Dash and Slide will get blown up when they block it. Sonya's Dive Kick auto-corrects his Dash too.

Lol wat, Reptile is considered a bad matchup for cage. It's at least 5.5-4.5

 

[crosstalk]

Who is tougher for Reptile, Cage or Sonya? I think these two characters stop him from doing anything up close. It's like his Dash and Slide will get blown up when they block it. Sonya's Dive Kick auto-corrects his Dash too.

Sonya does much better because her projectile is much better and her dive kick can easily punish just about everything Reptile does up close.

 

[THTB]

Who is tougher for Reptile, Cage or Sonya? I think these two characters stop him from doing anything up close. It's like his Dash and Slide will get blown up when they block it. Sonya's Dive Kick auto-corrects his Dash too.

Cage really isn't that bad up close...it's Cage, obviously, but unlike Sonya, I'm not entirely worried about divekick leading to 40% + reset if I elbow at the wrong time. Sonya's definitely harder overall because she outplays Reptile in more areas overall.

Reptile isn't a bad matchup for Cage, though.

 

[RTM2004]

Cage really isn't that bad up close...it's Cage, obviously, but unlike Sonya, I'm not entirely worried about divekick leading to 40% + reset if I elbow at the wrong time. Sonya's definitely harder overall because she outplays Reptile in more areas overall.

Reptile isn't a bad matchup for Cage, though.

I agree. I struggle against Reptile players who like to zone Sonya, that seems to be the best way to beat her. Whenever I play Reptile players online, they struggle because her Dive Kick (that auto-correct), standing 1 jab into 1,1,4, MS mix ups (AA options too), her D4 spacing, her Energy Ring to put them in check also jumping at Sonya (so many options like her Dive Kick in the air, her Arc Kick, standing 1, Air Grab). Is Sonya the anti-Reptile? I honestly don't think Mileena is that bad anymore like people say, a patient Reptile player that doesn't jump and do the right reads seems to beat me.