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MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
Swine Flu didn't kill that many Americans and people were really overblowing it. Obama took the right action Swine Flu was just slightly buff version of the flu that could be dealt with how you usually take care of the flu. So you're not fully wrong but Obama's action to it was perfectly fine.

Trump's action was quick but it went from him downplaying it to going, "Oh shit okay we need to take this serious." to him spending bill for it that we didn't need when progress was being made without increase funding. Hell some of the 8.3 billion is coming from funding on other diseases we're fighting. Go watch the trial and the dude legit asking the CDC," So are making progress? What work have you done?"

So yeah, Trumps' handling of CV was quick but when you closely at he is butt fumbling it all over the place. Seriously he wants to limit travel from EU to Us but not within US? Uh what? That makes no sense. No ban in place for China. I really don't think Trump has clue what he is doing and their call for actions have been poorly thought out. I mean when you have your world leader trying to buy an untested vaccine from another country so you can have the then exclusive rights to it, then something is wrong.

Edit: I do think separating from China isn't a bad idea. They have been caught lying about the situation and are using the virus to make themselves look good. It's scary when CDC and other medical professionals are shilling for them.
I'm not saying Obama didnt not address the Swine flu, just saying more people did in fact die from that in the USA than cv here as of now at least. The media worshipped him no matter what and criticizes everything trump does so I dont blame him for getting a Tad defensive tbh. But that all aside, the swine flu was a crisis however to be fair not nearly as bad as Corona virus. I mean I didn't see people demanding obama get tested, just saying..

Regarding the fact bmnumber while I do feel the MSM overblows everything even this a little, it's also a fact that more people did in fact die from h1n1 swine flu here...

I believe so far it's a few hundred here from cv so far, hopefully it'll decrease but given how cv is like 3x easier to contact6it vs the flu, that makes a difference.

Tbh I think at this point no matter how trump handles anything or a crisis especially relaxed, downplaying or overplaying the MSM will find something to bash him on. It's pretty obvious at this point. I remember reading a story where he was drinking his water bottle a certain way, and they made a big deal about it....so when I read the whole "omg downplaying it" or maybe he just didn't want to cause a panic? Which people have done anyway I mean I'm sure you've seen the ridiculous people hoarding everything as if the walking dead is happening namely with toilet paper...I think people are judging him bad off presentation skills and reading s teleprompter which I just want to add obama used all the time....

I believe he's doing what he can and has a pretty good team of doctors and cdc people.

He's not relying on other countries for a cure that's not true, we have tested our first vaccine today within the usa. Sadly msm outlets that are probably anti trump 24/7 that's misinforming people. I dont see how his team at least are shills for china, pretty sure he hates them and I dont blame him. They're the ones at fault, not us. Braking ties with china is a good idea, we dont need them. The only country they've confirmed to want vaccines from of credibility is Israel but the whole world is also working together for the greater good. Nobody need China, there was a documentary couple months back showing how they make shit for cheaper labor as well as cheaper chemicals and ingredients some of which toxic in our medications.

Now they're also responsible for this crisis, how much of the world dp you think will truly trust them?

As for the domestic travel ban, he's considering it but think of MIT this way if someone who'd already in the country where most if not all states already have it, it's inevitably going to spread eventually. If someone's mom dies who happens to live in another state you're going to ban the family from seeing their dead loved one? Or doctors who in one state may have found a vaccine that works how do you expect them to get it around the whole country? By walking to boarders of states and delivering it from one truck to another? That sounds illogical to me in a case like my examples. Now for vacations, joy trips, school or honey moons etc sure. Put it on hold, but if it's something crucial I see no reason to stop travel within the country. But international is a nobrainer... that's very different since it's worse in say Italy and china as opposed to the usa, so there's that Too.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
I just hope ALL the trump supporting republicans that get sick or that have a business that tanks DON'T ask for hand outs for the government NOW. Should have been prepared and saved up for an emergency! Don't switch up your politics now when shit starts to effect YOU.
I dont like any phonies like Mitt Romney for example, but tbh I dont think anyone deserves to get really sick or die from it here. I mean I think one would have to be stupid or insane to wish that on anyone especially since they can carry it. Like I read this story other day of some moron liberal saying if they get it they'll go to every trump rally to infect everyone. These types of people are clearly mentally I'll and need help as thats not helping anyone.

If trump wins again and they can't handle it, better to leap in front of a moving bus if it bothers them that much.
 

LeoMK29

Noob
I mean what would you suggest be done? Basically everything has been canceled that can be, what "bill" would do anything in this case?
I’m referring to the Families First bill that would help reduce a lot of stress for Americans but of course the republicans oppose this and draw it out. But tax cuts for the rich? Yes let’s pass that bull right on through. To me these people don’t care about Americans. But that’s just my opinion. I don’t think they are handling this well.

You also have people like David Nunes telling people it’s ok to go out to restaurants and shit. Like wtf? And people saying “they are taking away my freedom!!!!” No bish stay home so you don’t spread this disease. Selfish af
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
I’m referring to the Families First bill that would help reduce a lot of stress for Americans but of course the republicans oppose this and draw it out. But tax cuts for the rich? Yes let’s pass that bull right on through. To me these people don’t care about Americans. But that’s just my opinion. I don’t think they are handling this well.

You also have people like David Nunes telling people it’s ok to go out to restaurants and shit. Like wtf? And people saying “they are taking away my freedom!!!!” No bish stay home so you don’t spread this disease. Selfish af
Okay gotcha, there's definitely a point to be made there. I do think tax cuts for the rich have a lot more going on than just billionaires trying to keep their wallets padded though, nobody would want to run their factories in America if they got ass blasted by taxes, but that's another discussion. I do think this could have been handled better for sure.

People totally shouldn't go out to eat, and I'm saying this as a waiter lol
 

portent

Noob
My work isn’t going to shut down though. Without us people won’t have internet! Which would be unbearable for the majority in a time like this.
I'm guessing you're a skill/trade worker? If so, good, we need more people like you. Likewise, your industry is very likely considered an essential business and will not be shut down. The internet is imperative at this time because its the single fastest way to spread important information.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
I'm not saying Obama didnt not address the Swine flu, just saying more people did in fact die from that in the USA than cv here as of now at least. The media worshipped him no matter what and criticizes everything trump does so I dont blame him for getting a Tad defensive tbh. But that all aside, the swine flu was a crisis however to be fair not nearly as bad as Corona virus. I mean I didn't see people demanding obama get tested, just saying..

Regarding the fact bmnumber while I do feel the MSM overblows everything even this a little, it's also a fact that more people did in fact die from h1n1 swine flu here...

I believe so far it's a few hundred here from cv so far, hopefully it'll decrease but given how cv is like 3x easier to contact6it vs the flu, that makes a difference.

Tbh I think at this point no matter how trump handles anything or a crisis especially relaxed, downplaying or overplaying the MSM will find something to bash him on. It's pretty obvious at this point. I remember reading a story where he was drinking his water bottle a certain way, and they made a big deal about it....so when I read the whole "omg downplaying it" or maybe he just didn't want to cause a panic? Which people have done anyway I mean I'm sure you've seen the ridiculous people hoarding everything as if the walking dead is happening namely with toilet paper...I think people are judging him bad off presentation skills and reading s teleprompter which I just want to add obama used all the time....

I believe he's doing what he can and has a pretty good team of doctors and cdc people.

He's not relying on other countries for a cure that's not true, we have tested our first vaccine today within the usa. Sadly msm outlets that are probably anti trump 24/7 that's misinforming people. I dont see how his team at least are shills for china, pretty sure he hates them and I dont blame him. They're the ones at fault, not us. Braking ties with china is a good idea, we dont need them. The only country they've confirmed to want vaccines from of credibility is Israel but the whole world is also working together for the greater good. Nobody need China, there was a documentary couple months back showing how they make shit for cheaper labor as well as cheaper chemicals and ingredients some of which toxic in our medications.

Now they're also responsible for this crisis, how much of the world dp you think will truly trust them?

As for the domestic travel ban, he's considering it but think of MIT this way if someone who'd already in the country where most if not all states already have it, it's inevitably going to spread eventually. If someone's mom dies who happens to live in another state you're going to ban the family from seeing their dead loved one? Or doctors who in one state may have found a vaccine that works how do you expect them to get it around the whole country? By walking to boarders of states and delivering it from one truck to another? That sounds illogical to me in a case like my examples. Now for vacations, joy trips, school or honey moons etc sure. Put it on hold, but if it's something crucial I see no reason to stop travel within the country. But international is a nobrainer... that's very different since it's worse in say Italy and china as opposed to the usa, so there's that Too.
You guys are always confusing death rate and total deaths. Total deaths are not what matters, as they will be completely different at different points during an epidemic. You’re literally comparing the start of one epidemic to the end/final total of another.

What matters in this case is the death rate per person infected, which means that far more people will die from less people being infected with the virus. That is why Coronavirus is such a huge issue and why it has to be dealt with using completely different measures.
 

Jynks

some heroes are born, some made, some wondrous
What matters in this case is the death rate per person infected, which means that far more people will die from less people being infected with the virus. That is why Coronavirus is such a huge issue and why it has to be dealt with using completely different measures.
Actually I think it is the other way around. Covid-19 has a low deathrate compared to some of the recent viruses, but it has a MUCH higher infection rate. So while it kills less, as the amount of people infected it higher so the total death can be much higher.

These are made up numbers to illustrate my point.
  • Virus A has a 50% certain Death Rate and 100,000 infected.... that is 50,000 dead.
  • Virus B has a 1% certain Death Rate and 200 Million Infected.. that is 200,000 dead.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
A friend of mine co-worker tested positive. But he said they won’t test anyone else unless they exhibiting symptoms. Mainly, if you don’t have a fever they aren’t gonna test them. What absolute fucking morons. You can have COVID19 and not show symptoms. Meaning you can still spread it!!
 
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Eldriken

Guest
A friend of mine co-worker tested positive. But he said they won’t test anyone else unless they exhibiting symptoms. Mainly, if you don’t have a fever they aren’t gonna test them. What absolute fucking morons. You can have COVID19 and not show symptoms. Meaning you can still spread it!!
This shit isn't being handled the way it should be. It's really showing that people weren't ready for this.
 

Zer0_h0ur

XBL tag: South of Zero
A friend of mine co-worker tested positive. But he said they won’t test anyone else unless they exhibiting symptoms. Mainly, if you don’t have a fever they aren’t gonna test them. What absolute fucking morons. You can have COVID19 and not show symptoms. Meaning you can still spread it!!
Yeah right now most testing in USA is still for very high risk individuals i.e. contact when a known positive, or severe shortness of breath.
That means shit tons are being underreported.

Not to mention the asymptomatic individuals that are shedding virus everywhere they go. Young school age children are suspected to be super spreaders at this point.
We healthy adults need to act as if we already have it and are doing a civic duty to others to lay low if possible for the near-term future.
 

Zviko

Noob
A friend of mine co-worker tested positive. But he said they won’t test anyone else unless they exhibiting symptoms. Mainly, if you don’t have a fever they aren’t gonna test them. What absolute fucking morons. You can have COVID19 and not show symptoms. Meaning you can still spread it!!
Why morons though? You know there isn't enough tests to test everyone? They need supplies for those too. So they aren't testing anyone who'd like so anymore because it might be a waste. It's the same everywhere in the world.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
Why morons though? You know there isn't enough tests to test everyone? They need supplies for those too. So they aren't testing anyone who'd like so anymore because it might be a waste. It's the same everywhere in the world.
Actively contributing To the spread of the disease is moronic behavior. They know exactly who this guy works closely everyday with. They should be tested. As I said, you’re not always going to show symptoms but can still spread it.
 

Zer0_h0ur

XBL tag: South of Zero
Hearing from friends working in hospitals they are having to wash and re-use N95 masks and PPI, which is something they'd previously get written up for if they did.
They hospital supplies are going to dry up fast. Just craziness.
 

Hellbringer

1 2 3 drink
People here in Florida are fucking stupid, my guys. FUCKING. STUPID.


I seriously hate this state sometimes. People are so dumb.
Not as stupid as in belgium where ppl went over the borders to holland to go to bars and shops cause the ones in belgium are on lockdown.
 

Swindle

Philanthropist & Asshole
A friend of mine co-worker tested positive. But he said they won’t test anyone else unless they exhibiting symptoms. Mainly, if you don’t have a fever they aren’t gonna test them. What absolute fucking morons. You can have COVID19 and not show symptoms. Meaning you can still spread it!!
All of those people should have personal responsibility, and self-quarantine.
If they don’t, then they are murderers, and unworthy of love.
 

Zviko

Noob
Actively contributing To the spread of the disease is moronic behavior. They know exactly who this guy works closely everyday with. They should be tested. As I said, you’re not always going to show symptoms but can still spread it.
But how is that their fault? If you have it and there's a high possibility co workers and friends have it as well they should all quarantine themselves. Also if employer is not selfish and smart enough, they should close it down too.
 

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Actually I think it is the other way around. Covid-19 has a low deathrate compared to some of the recent viruses, but it has a MUCH higher infection rate. So while it kills less, as the amount of people infected it higher so the total death can be much higher.

These are made up numbers to illustrate my point.
  • Virus A has a 50% certain Death Rate and 100,000 infected.... that is 50,000 dead.
  • Virus B has a 1% certain Death Rate and 200 Million Infected.. that is 200,000 dead.
Nah, Coronavirus has a much higher death rate than Swine Flu, which is what he was talking about. Swine flu had 4,000 deaths out of 22 million infected here.

The death rate of Coronavirus is more than 100 times that of Swine Flu.