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General/Other - Boneshaper Kenshi+Reptile need a new Friend. Shinnok it is.

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Bout damn time.

Follow the age old advice: "Pick a top tier!"


I thought there was a whole thread on this and only goro and midscreen cassie had safe armor launchers.

I will say based on experience fighting shinnok, d4 combined with hellsparks timing is the dumbest neutral game I ever fought. Especially in the corner. Besides predator of course.
Dude I said safe and armored as in two separate things but both categories fall into safe
 

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
Dude I said safe and armored as in two separate things but both categories fall into safe
Now I'm just confused.

When you said "most ex launchers are safe" I assumed you meant "most armored moves that launch are safe". If not then just ignore my statement.
 

Diego de Souza Costa

***The Soul Consuming Darkness***
That was a mock at kenshi ex launcher vs shinnok and others

Most ex launchers are safe

Few are plus


Kenshi balanced
Teleflurry all hits come out on block (3 hits)

Kenshi possessed
Demons don't disappear when hit
F4 -3 on block
Teleport faster by 5 frames
All glitches fixed w db1 and bf3 whiffing

Kenjutsu kenshi
322 becomes mid mid OH
Df1 becomes -3 on block (8% overhead)
Ex df1 recaptures like every other f ing ex move in the game when hitting someone in the air (goro ex punch walk)
Bf3 whiff -36
B2 -3 on block HKD

Kenshi overall
44 becomes mid Oh
22 becomes +8 (think Takeda 21 restand)

Thank you sir !!
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
@Pig Of The Hut #1 most important thing when playing bone shaper is:

Meter management.

Without meter he's pretty much screwed so be hella careful. He only has meterless combos in the corner, midscreen he got nothing. Most he can do without meter midscreen is 15%. Also without meter hell sparks are super unsafe so be careful with that too.

If I'm not zoning I like to put the opponent in the corner because of the 50/50s and meterless combos.

Always always always try to save meter. Some times you'll even have to opt for full screen knockdowns into zoning instead of a full combo just to save that bar. Hella critical.
 

RyuuJin882

Twitch.tv/ryuujin882
If you get the restand and do dark beam, watch out for the other player to njp. Especially characters like torr, raiden and quan. Sometimes you can mitigate this and other things by doing RC f31 instead of RC f41 since f3 reaches a lot farther.

I prefer to use the restand without the dark beam most times. Helps keep the pressure going, especially if you have lots of bar.
 
Kenshi balanced
Teleflurry all hits come out on block (3 hits)

Kenshi overall
44 becomes mid Oh
22 becomes +8 (think Takeda 21 restand)
out of all kenshi problems (still playing balanced) my biggest problem with him after teleflurry is his dumb slow db4 with those run buttons... it needs to be much faster and that BACK DASH!!!
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
out of all kenshi problems (still playing balanced) my biggest problem with him after teleflurry is his dumb slow db4 with those run buttons... it needs to be much faster and that BACK DASH!!!
I literally lauged out loud when I saw his backdash the first time. I was playing sub zero the whole launch week(who has a great backdash) then thought huh let's try kenshi then I just about pissed myself when I did the backdash and looked at the teleflurry frame data.
 
Agree with braindead about meter management.

One of the most important parts of this game is making sure that its your turn for as long as possible.
So you should be using F41D2xxMBHS alot into a mixup (you gain decent meter while doing this pressure)
Make them guess after every F221+3xxDB restand.

You have to squeeze out every last drop of damage because Shinnok's combos only do about 30% and they require a bar.
The same meter he spends in combos he also desperately needs to make HS safe on block.

Alot of matchups depend almost completely on how the opposing character deals with Hell Sparks.

use lots of throws into more pressure

Shinnok's uppercut is one of the best in the game

If you don't have a bar of meter left find a way to build one ASAP or else you're screwed.

Scoop has so much knockdown on hit that it pretty much guarantees you pressure afterwards.
 
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I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
Pig if I had to call it, your attitude, whining and downplay is one of the reasons why Kenshi has gone overlooked for so long. Most characters have been tweaked over the duration of the game largely based on feedback from TYM, most characters have an honest forum detailing their issues for them to work with, but as someone who knows first hand as Kenshi player back then, you kinda destroyed Kenshis shot at this, even before the buffs when you had characters much weaker than the height of what Kenshi is capable, in a game with pre-patch's Jacqui, Reptile, Takeda, Goro, F/T, Kano, Jason etc, you were there with the narrative "literally unplayable, worst character in the game, makes Goro look top tier, etc" overly downplaying when truth be told Kenjutsu was higher tier than practically all these characters. Now all these characters have been buffed because reasonable discussion could be had around them, and yet Kenshi has been ignored because we couldn't. And now we are at a stage where Kenshi's only playable variation is still his rush down one, his two zoning variations probably are some of the worst in the game, and Paulo trolls you for still trying to change it because it's a hole you dug for yourself with him. It's a shame that one person being super loud and obnoxious about Kenshi all the time means that the rest of us have to suffer for it.


Eh, he's okay vs the top. He loses to a lot of them, though. It's just not blowout levels.
Who does Reptile lose to in your opinion? And why, if you, don't mind a short explanation as to why? Just wondering.
I literally lauged out loud when I saw his backdash the first time. I was playing sub zero the whole launch week(who has a great backdash) then thought huh let's try kenshi then I just about pissed myself when I did the backdash and looked at the teleflurry frame data.
His backdash is so bad that it's easily confusable with walking :p this is definitely not intended to be a strength of the character.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
His backdash is so bad that it's easily confusable with walking :p this is definitely not intended to be a strength of the character.
When I was playing against my first kenshi online i legitimately thought he was walking backwards then I realized he was losing stamina. Whether or not the kenshi forums suck, NRS should make all characters viable. And on the backdash, if any character should be able to create space, it should be kenshi. Like they can come in and rape you on a whiffed teleflurry, it would be nice to get some breathing room lol. It's gotten to the point where I feel like a scumbag playing against a balanced, just as much as a jason. Like kenshi is supposed to beat sub, but it feels really manageable once you realize he has no pressure and has trouble containing you.
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
That was smart of you to drop kenshi, hell I did and it broke my heart doing so :( but I moved on to lasher takeda who fits me much better anyways, and I can see you doing very well with boneshaper, since be is all utility but not much damage, and well, you find of excel with characters like that from what I have seen, so good on you, unfortunately I can just tell you necromancer combos because that is the only variation I tried out. So essentially what I'm saying is to ignore my post because this is a pointless post and I'm very tired and don't feel like deleting this
 

MrProfDrPepper

NRS, Guilty Gear, and KI, the holy trinity
@I GOT HANDS I understand what you are saying but... Kenshi really is and always was that bad, at no point was he tournament viable and the only character that is debatably worse than kenshi is Jason, notice how there are no more kenshi mains competitively or on TYM, they all moved on, no matter how painful it was for them (or well me, it broke my heart to drop kenshi) the only thing kenshi has is decent armor and even that gets blown up due to how negative it is and hell, a lot of characters can break that armor.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
When I was playing against my first kenshi online i legitimately thought he was walking backwards then I realized he was losing stamina. Whether or not the kenshi forums suck, NRS should make all characters viable. And on the backdash, if any character should be able to create space, it should be kenshi. Like they can come in and rape you on a whiffed teleflurry, it would be nice to get some breathing room lol. It's gotten to the point where I feel like a scumbag playing against a balanced, just as much as a jason. Like kenshi is supposed to beat sub, but it feels really manageable once you realize he has no pressure and has trouble containing you.
It's much harder for them to balance in line around community expectations when sensible discussion around the character simply isn't possible or was ever being had, and at this point I think they've wisely decided to ignore Pig, unfortunately that shouldn't mean ignoring the entire community, I guess at this point I think it might be a bit hard to separate the realism from the ridiculousness surrounding Kenshi and they've just decided to say "fuck it, you had your chance to work with us, now we are going to balance Kenshi without listening to your input". As I said, it's a shame for the rest of us that the loudest person has caused Kenshi to be left wanting.
 

Dankster Morgan

It is better this way
It's much harder for them to balance in line around community expectations when sensible discussion around the character simply isn't possible or was ever being had, and at this point I think they've wisely decided to ignore Pig, unfortunately that shouldn't mean ignoring the entire community, I guess at this point I think it might be a bit hard to separate the realism from the ridiculousness surrounding Kenshi and they've just decided to say "fuck it, you had your chance to work with us, now we are going to balance Kenshi without listening to your input". As I said, it's a shame for the rest of us that the loudest person has caused Kenshi to be left wanting.
I understand your point totally, but I doubt they would base an entire character on how butt hurt they are over pig. U hope not at least. I mean I don't play the blind bastard he made subs life hell in mk9 but still he don't deserve this.
 

I GOT HANDS

Official Infrared Scorp wid gapless Wi-Fi pressure
@I GOT HANDS I understand what you are saying but... Kenshi really is and always was that bad, at no point was he tournament viable and the only character that is debatably worse than kenshi is Jason, notice how there are no more kenshi mains competitively or on TYM, they all moved on, no matter how painful it was for them (or well me, it broke my heart to drop kenshi) the only thing kenshi has is decent armor and even that gets blown up due to how negative it is and hell, a lot of characters can break that armor.
Kenjutsu WAS significantly stronger than every variation of many of those characters I mentioned, they've just all been buffed since