Video/Tutorial - Dragons Fire Liu Kang corner block trap

[Enexemander]

I disagree with your perspective on why people think this Liu tech is bad for balance, but at least it was well written and fun to read



Maybe a change affecting 92 matches isn't at all more elegant than a change affecting 24 IMO

What do you call 92 lawyers at the bottom of the ocean?

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A good start.

At least for Kenshi and Jason.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

omg.. just please, stop... not this "give 6f d1s to characters" bullshit again.

how many times it needs to be sayed that you dont balance a damn character around another damn character.

I agree but think you meant "you don't balance a cast around a character, you balance a character around the cast"

We can't just make a blanket rule that anyone who doesn't find a way to make LK not broken needs to be buffed. Takes a and Erron are scary enough without 6 f pokes thx

 

[Enexemander]

omg.. just please, stop... not this "give 6f d1s to characters" bullshit again.

how many times it needs to be sayed that you dont balance a damn character around another damn character.

Yeah, you do, dumbass. That's exactly what you do. You balance your damn characters around the other damn characters in the game, because that's the only way to do it. What are you going to balance around instead, the color of the fucking scenery?

The only reason this kind of crap is a problem is because the game was lazily designed. They didn't do the math, so now there's this big game of grab-ass going on. It's ridiculous.

 

[WiseM0nkey]

I agree but think you meant "you don't balance a cast around a character, you balance a character around the cast"

We can't just make a blanket rule that anyone who doesn't find a way to make LK not broken needs to be buffed. Takes a and Erron are scary enough without 6 f pokes thx

yeh that was pretty much my point, sorry for my Engreesh

 

[WiseM0nkey]

Yeah, you do, dumbass. That's exactly what you do. You balance your damn characters around the other damn characters in the game, because that's the only way to do it. What are you going to balance around instead, the color of the fucking scenery?

The only reason this kind of crap is a problem is because the game was lazily designed. They didn't do the math, so now there's this big game of grab-ass going on. It's ridiculous.

@I GOT HANDS corrected my statement

I agree but think you meant "you don't balance a cast around a character, you balance a character around the cast"

 

[WiseM0nkey]

and for the record:

Kenshi needs better recovery on his specials and to be safer in general (Kenjutsu for exemple), not faster pokes

P.S.: enough TYM for today lol

 

[Dankster Morgan]

and for the record:

Kenshi needs better recovery on his specials and to be safer in general (Kenjutsu for exemple), not faster pokes

P.S.: enough TYM for today lol

Honestly yeah, balanced preys on people that don't know the matchup. The only people that lose to kenshi got severely outplayed or they have no idea how bad teleflurry is. I don't think Liu Kang needs to be touched outside of mb fly kick, everyone is just too jumpy and quick to beg for nerfs.

 

[Diego de Souza Costa]

and for the record:

Kenshi needs better recovery on his specials and to be safer in general (Kenjutsu for exemple), not faster pokes

P.S.: enough TYM for today lol

yup.... Kenjutsu actually have mixups, but they are all unsafe as fuck...... gg NRS....

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+ not to mention the amount of useless strings that Kenshi has as a whole is beyond ridiculous.... pretty much a bitch slap in the face, on the mokap team....

 

[Rude]

People complain and say

"The 4 -5 characters this effects are screwed in tournament!"

Well if they nerf it they likely screw dualist again for tournament.

It's likely not going to change. The faster we come to grips the better.

You know, NRS COULD change the properties of a move specifically for one variation and leave it's properties intact in the other two, if they wanted.

It all depends on how characters and their variations are coded, I'd say.

 

[haketh]

Yup. This is purely a product of NRS having too many characters (variations) and no way to balance one without changing another.

If they balance DF they screw dualist. If they leave it, people who are jealous complain.

No one wins every time.

This is why they shouldn't be afraid to have a change on a string only affet one or two variations instead of all three. No ohter FG with variations works like MKX because it leads to making things tricky to balance.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

yup.... Kenjutsu actually have mixups, but they are all unsafe as fuck...... gg NRS....

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+ not to mention the amount of useless strings that Kenshi has as a whole is beyond ridiculous.... pretty much a bitch slap in the face, on the mokap team....

He gets like +40% for a bar on an unreactable 50/50, and has excellent footsies with D4Push and F2Push... Well in theory. I dropped the character simply because D4Reflect kept cOming out, the push seemed impossible to make consistent, that's the only buff this variation needs, he's really strong. It's not all about safety p, he makes tradeoffs for the awesome things he gets

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Well it's not like Dualist doesn't have 2 practically useless specials with Red Orbs and Healpower.... Could easily nerf F2 for him but still have him come out the patch stronger if they addressed it all at once

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Well it's not like Dualist doesn't have 2 practically useless specials with Red Orbs and Healpower.... Could easily nerf F2 for him but still have him come out the patch stronger if they addressed it all at once

Bruh.. The heal is laughably bad.

 

[just_2swift]

The argument that something thats broke is ok because it is hard to do has always been and will always be absolute bullshit. Broke is broke, no matter how easy or hard it is to do consistently.

Edit: Im not talking about Liu Kang's F213 loops specifically btw. I have no real opinion on them as I have no real Kang experience.

That has nothing to do with what I said but please continue to be ignorant and put words in my mouth. But since you can't comprehend ill repeat myself. The jailing of f213 is hard to do and takes execution.

If you're not talking about the jailing being hard to execute then your talking about the fly kick into black MB being broken and hard to do but in actuality it's easy to preform then your post lacks substance.

 

[One Inch Punch]

nerf lao!

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Bruh.. The heal is laughably bad.

Nah, Jason's teleport is "laughably bad". Dualists heal? It is hands down the worst move in the game, I'd call it "confusingly and appallingly bad"

That has nothing to do with what I said but please continue to be ignorant and put words in my mouth. But since you can't comprehend ill repeat myself. The jailing of f213 is hard to do and takes execution.

If you're not talking about the jailing being hard to execute then your talking about the fly kick into black MB being broken and hard to do but in actuality it's easy to preform then your post lacks substance.

Here is what you said

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This will stay because the simple fact remains that execution is key f213 fbrc isn't an easy task if so please post a video of your grandmother doing continuous reps. No average Joe or scrub kang can do this consistently let alone in a real match when the pressure is on. it takes God like execution. compared to what scorpion had and what Tanya can do now this shit should be appreciated and respected like hitting an omen God thunder fist (ogtf) and an electric (EWGF) in tekken . But the issue here is him being + 1 or 2 but if only four characters have issues with it tough to titty. jax can almost recreate the same situation with 11 and these 4 characters would also get fucked. Not even going to bring up subzero but he actually fucks a lot of characters in the corner. Liu is fine he's not pre patch injustice scorpion so all this needs to chill. Either help those 4 out or leave liu alone unless you want ppl to play flame fist which will be the case if you touch Liu.

How is that not saying "it's not broken because it's super hard"? I mean, I see you saying don't put words in your mouth, but what other way is there to interpret that?

Not to mention your argument is seriously flawed. Compared to what Scorp HAD? You mean the super OP pressure game that had to be removed from the game, and is still weaker than this? Compared to what Tanya has? You mean multiple gaps on every Rekka that always finishes negative, completely uncomparable in every single way to this other than the fact that it does chip damage?

Cmon man, posts like this just look like one-sided agenda pushing.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

You know, NRS COULD change the properties of a move specifically for one variation and leave it's properties intact in the other two, if they wanted.

It all depends on how characters and their variations are coded, I'd say.

You know this for 100% fact?

This is why they shouldn't be afraid to have a change on a string only affet one or two variations instead of all three. No ohter FG with variations works like MKX because it leads to making things tricky to balance.

If only it were that easy...don't worry though. Rude knows the answers.

Don't be RUDE!!!!!

 

[just_2swift]

Nah, Jason's teleport is "laughably bad". Dualists heal? It is hands down the worst move in the game, I'd call it "confusingly and appallingly bad"





Here is what you said How is that not saying "it's not broken because it's super hard"? I mean, I see you saying don't put words in your mouth, but what other way is there to interpret that?

Not to mention your argument is seriously flawed. Compared to what Scorp HAD? You mean the super OP pressure game that had to be removed from the game, and is still weaker than this? Compared to what Tanya has? You mean multiple gaps on every Rekka that always finishes negative, completely uncomparable in every single way to this other than the fact that it does chip damage?

Cmon man, posts like this just look like one-sided agenda pushing.

Scorpion cancels were very easy compared to what Liu players have to master

F213 is not broken and I also said help those 4 characters that can't get out after the fly kick MB

 

[zabugi]

then why is he not always in top 8 of majors? tell me.

 

[Rude]

You know this for 100% fact?


If only it were that easy...don't worry though. Rude knows the answers.

Don't be RUDE!!!!!

Ha! Not bad, Hessofly.

No, I don't know 100%, but can you say with 100% certainty that it's outside the realm of possibility?

Wait, haven't you gone on record to say you hate this game?

 

[youthinkyoubadyouaintbad]

yup.... Kenjutsu actually have mixups, but they are all unsafe as fuck...... gg NRS....

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+ not to mention the amount of useless strings that Kenshi has as a whole is beyond ridiculous.... pretty much a bitch slap in the face, on the mokap team....

gotta make that read dawg, kenshi got dat full screen game, dawg

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Ha! Not bad, Hessofly.

No, I don't know 100%, but can you say with 100% certainty that it's outside the realm of possibility?

Wait, haven't you gone on record to say you hate this game?

Yup. I hate this game but am a glutten for punishment.

 

[11411181]

Ha! Not bad, Hessofly.

No, I don't know 100%, but can you say with 100% certainty that it's outside the realm of possibility?

Wait, haven't you gone on record to say you hate this game?

All you need to do is exactly what happened with Venomous D'Vorah and non-Venomous D'Vorah. Look at Ovipositor Rush vs Poison Ovipositor Rush. Make it a "unique" special move or string with a slightly different name and slightly different properties. They've already done this with several characters and their variations.

Arguing whether that's possible or not is the equivalent of arguing about how many extra chromosomes you have. This shit is basic.

 

[Rude]

Yup. I hate this game but am a glutten for punishment.

I like it. It's fast. Stupid. The setplay is ridiculous and zoning is a rarity, along with blink of an eye whiff recovery on tons of stuff.

Still. It's a lot of fun as soon as you treat at as it's own game. It's not trying to be anything else other than what it is.

What would you do if they released Nightwolf as DLC?

 

[Rude]

All you need to do is exactly what happened with Venomous D'Vorah and non-Venomous D'Vorah. Look at Ovipositor Rush vs Poison Ovipositor Rush. Make it a "unique" special move or string with a slightly different name and slightly different properties. They've already done this with several characters and their variations.

Arguing whether that's possible or not is the equivalent of arguing about how many extra chromosomes you have. This shit is basic.

If you go back a page or so earlier, I made that point earlier. You could adjust the properties of f213 in DF and leave it alone in Duelist.

Fly expressed reasonable skepticism.

Next time you peanut gallery, you might want to do more than comment on the ass-end of an exchange.