The Tier List According to CD Mani and Coach Steve

[MsMiharo]

The Cossner vs. Coolwhip feud is like the gift that keeps on giving.

Or a GIF that keeps on giving

 

[REO]

The last I heard of Forever King Jrs Ferra Torr was him saying they were "unviable outside of the Grandmaster match up." I havent seen it since. Mike said DJT plays them too so there might be hope there but I doubt anyone there cares enough about them to play them to the best of their abilities, especially all three variations

I mean, yeah he doesn't feel Ferra / Torr is one of the stronger characters in the game but that's his opinion. He's been playing Ferra / Torr since day one so we value his opinion on the character. And it's not easy playing a character that's not upper mid tier against YOMI's greats since there's so many days and weeks you can go losing by a large margin. Over time it can get very discouraging and frustrating so I don't blame him for picking up other characters.

Could Ferra / Torr be high tier? Sure. But we haven't seen any evidence to back that claim as of now.

 

[Dinosaur]

I mean, yeah he doesn't feel Ferra / Torr is one of the stronger characters in the game but that's his opinion. He's been playing Ferra / Torr since day one so we value his opinion on the character. And it's not easy playing a character that's not upper mid tier against YOMI's greats since there's so many days and weeks you can go losing by a large margin. Over time it can get very discouraging and frustrating so I don't blame him for picking up other characters.

Could Ferra / Torr be high tier? Sure. But we haven't seen any evidence to back that claim as of now.

Hey you might have already answered this and if so hopefully someone could post a link.

But why the change to jason? Is it the character himself you like or do you see something in gameplay/variation design that can be great?

 

[Samsara]

Whatever dude, I'm inclined to laugh, but my opinion is still my own and I stand by it. I suppose that's the best I can hope for when it comes to discussion on this forum.

 

[Wetdoba]

I mean, yeah he doesn't feel Ferra / Torr is one of the stronger characters in the game but that's his opinion. He's been playing Ferra / Torr since day one so we value his opinion on the character. And it's not easy playing a character that's not upper mid tier against YOMI's greats since there's so many days and weeks you can go losing by a large margin. Over time it can get very discouraging and frustrating so I don't blame him for picking up other characters.

Could Ferra / Torr be high tier? Sure. But we haven't seen any evidence to back that claim as of now.

Any recent stream footage of his FT?

I find it hard to believe he is incorporating stuff into his game plan that really helps each variation having never discussed the character at all with any of the other FT players on here.

 

[haketh]

I mean, yeah he doesn't feel Ferra / Torr is one of the stronger characters in the game but that's his opinion. He's been playing Ferra / Torr since day one so we value his opinion on the character. And it's not easy playing a character that's not upper mid tier against YOMI's greats since there's so many days and weeks you can go losing by a large margin. Over time it can get very discouraging and frustrating so I don't blame him for picking up other characters.

Could Ferra / Torr be high tier? Sure. But we haven't seen any evidence to back that claim as of now.

I don't doubt that King's F/T is good because he's a great player but has he put in the time with the character to learn all the tech? I'm in the council and that character stays evolving and has potential.

 

[Samsara]

@GiM | ZigZag Is that suposed to mean something to me? I suppose we can all think we're clever with cute gif reaction to a typo, but if you think Quan Chi, with all the absurd mixup potential he has, damage output, armor rune setups, chip damage setups----- all of which thrive on mixup up an opponent and remaining offensive----- with exceptional zoning as a bonus and the impetus for much of his success SOMEHOW means that this game isn't rewarding offensive momentum almost exclusively that's on you.

I suppose his new D1 haunts my analysis somehow? There's a reason he's widely regarded as one of the best character's in the game and offensive pressure and momentum have everything to do with that.

Now that we're done with the superficial bs, I'd like to have some discussion worthy of my time.

 

[SM StarGazer]

I read the post just fine, thanks. That was a cute attempt to throw shade tho.

You came into the thread and basically bashed Kitana players saying we don't know Mournful or we moan and blah. You then proceeded to make it seem you believe she's S Tier simply because CDjr said so. That's a severe case of dick riding bro. Hop off before it goes too far.


Then, when people are asking you why you would believe such a statement, you try to turn the question back on them or just simply avoid it. That's making you look even more bad. Make a claim and then back it up. Simple as that.


I know for a fact that me, @RunwayMafia, @Laos_boy and others use all 3 variations and to hear that Mournful is in the same category as Predator and Quan is going to cause a knee-jerk reaction. I'm not trying to say mournful is bad, its actually very good, but S Tier good is out of the question IMO. I could be wrong, highly doubt it tho.

I swear to GOD If I'm not tagged in all Mournful discussions I'mma flip a table.

And coming from a Mourful main. Yeah she good. Queen of the Mid-tiers for sure. But when faced against the truly monsterous motherfuckers, she falls short. Not by miles, but how many races are won right at the finish line. Yakno' what Im saying.

#NerfKenshi

 

[Cossner]

This is too good

 

[REO]

Any recent stream footage of his FT?

I find it hard to believe he is incorporating stuff into his game plan that really helps each variation having never discussed the character at all with any of the other FT players on here.

He's most likely gonna be at Youmacon so look for his Ferra / Torr there.

I don't doubt that King's F/T is good because he's a great player but has he put in the time with the character to learn all the tech? I'm in the council and that character stays evolving and has potential.

He knows about the jailing Ferra cancels, the anti-wake up set ups with stab, safe boulder roll, all tick throws, etc. There's probably some stuff he doesn't know, but he definitely knows a lot about the character since he's always messaging us with his tech findings.

 

[Tokiwartoothxdk]

am is opposed to be hype for a Top 8 that's literally "5 YOMI and 2 other people?" hey look guys I found a typo. Looks like my opinion's irrelevant now.

did you follow MK9 and enjoy that?

 

[chrisisnice]

I thought he got patched out of the game in the last patch.

lol... BEST COMMENT EVER!

 

[Samsara]

did you follow MK9 and enjoy that?

No. MKX is the first fighting game I've actively followed the tourney scene in outside of IGAU and Smash (Melee and WiiU) in which I mained Raven and Ganondorf.

If you're joking I suppose it went over my head, apparently just like all the math classes I've failed in order to be typing this post from a four-year university dorm building. But my opinions unpopular so I guess I deserve this. It was a spectacularly themed and impeccably timed gif however, it did make me chuckle quite a bit.

 

[Zoidberg747]

I'm gonna come right out and say that I find tier lists to be highly irrelevant in this game. There's only one viable playstyle in MKX and that's pressure. There are only two tiers in this game and that's the poorly designed top tiers and the inadequate by comparison rest of the roster.

NRS has balanced a game around offensive momentum alone, and any character that deviates from this principle gets snuffed.

YOMI realized this quicker than most and proceeded to stack every tournament possible and now where stuck watching Predator vs Quan Chi and Tanya v Kung Lao at every major for finals---- am is supposed to be hype for a Top 8 that's literally "5 YOMI and 2 other people?" hey look guys I found a typo. Looks like my opinion's irrelevant now.

We have zoning variations that can't even zone at the same time that we have pressure/mixup variations that zone as a bonus.

NRS design choices baffle me. Why they decided a character with absurd chip, stupid jump-ins, near constant pressure, high damage out put, a dive kick, and a teleport for good measure ALSO needed the best anti-air in the game is a complete and infuriating mystery.

I suppose it's fun though, right?

Since you seem to so badly want someone to respond to your points, I will.

1. You say pressure is the only viable playstyle in this game yet Kitana makes top 8 at most tournaments. Hell I wouldnt consider HQT a pressure character after the nerfs, he's more of a zoner than anything. Just because you cant zone the entire match does not mean the entire game is pressure.

2. You say one tier contains poorly desinged top tiers and the others inadequate bottom tiers. That is wrong on many levels. I wouldnt call Kitana a poorly designed character or inadequate. Same with Takeda, Erron Black, Reptile, Kotal Khan, etc. There are many characters in this game that are neither top tier or not tournament viable. And if you need proof you can look at the top 8 for any big tournament because I guarantee you there will be at least 8 different variations used throughout it.

3. What game isnt about gaining momentum? I mean sure in MKX its easier but you can look at any fighter out there and the opponents will always be trying to gain momentum. Why else would people spend all game gaining momentum by pushing people to the corner. Plus there are characters like Kitana, Jacqui, and Kano who dont fit in your statement(You can argue Kano and Jacqui get snuffed but Kitana does fine).

4. Royal Storm Kitana, Hish Qu Ten Predator, Full Auto Jacqui. Just because every zoner can't viably zone doesnt mean the game doesnt have zoning.

5. Welcome to Fighting Games. Some characters have better tools than others, it is what it is.

6. The YOMI statement is really bad for two reasons: 1. If you took YOMI out from those players names they would still be in top 8s. Go look back at Injustice and MK9 top 8s where they were all present if you dont believe me. 2. There hasnt even been a Quan Chi v. Predator Grand Finals, and Kung Lao v. Tanya happened pre-patch. By that logic you should complain about erron black v. Kung Lao because that was the grand finals for a good 3-4 tournaments when SonicFox and DJT were dominating everyone.

 

[Wetdoba]

He's most likely gonna be at Youmacon so look for his Ferra / Torr there.



He knows about the jailing Ferra cancels, the anti-wake up set ups with stab, safe boulder roll, all tick throws, etc. There's probably some stuff he doesn't know, but he definitely knows a lot about the character since he's always messaging us with his tech findings.

would be nice if he could post on the FT forums if he's actively trying to find new tech and evolve the character as a whole, I just find it weird that he could have to deal with the YOMI gauntlet without talking to any other FT's or checking to see if there is any essential tech or general strategies he may be missing out on (there definitely is)

maybe he could even contribute here if he is actually grinding Ferra Torr match ups with yomi players (http://testyourmight.com/threads/the-which-variation-should-i-pick-for-which-match-up-thread.56372/)

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Tier List according me because I'm bored at work:

S:
Tremor

How can a character with no mid strings outside of b1d4u4 (which can be consistently low profiled despite its short range for it's slow startup) and unreliable wakeups be s tier those are huge holes in his game plan I'd believe kitana is S tier before Tremor.

 

[Samsara]

Since you seem to so badly want someone to respond to your points, I will.

1. You say pressure is the only viable playstyle in this game yet Kitana makes top 8 at most tournaments. Hell I wouldnt consider HQT a pressure character after the nerfs, he's more of a zoner than anything. Just because you cant zone the entire match does not mean the entire game is pressure.

2. You say one tier contains poorly desinged top tiers and the others inadequate bottom tiers. That is wrong on many levels. I wouldnt call Kitana a poorly designed character or inadequate. Same with Takeda, Erron Black, Reptile, Kotal Khan, etc. There are many characters in this game that are neither top tier or not tournament viable. And if you need proof you can look at the top 8 for any big tournament because I guarantee you there will be at least 8 different variations used throughout it.

3. What game isnt about gaining momentum? I mean sure in MKX its easier but you can look at any fighter out there and the opponents will always be trying to gain momentum. Why else would people spend all game gaining momentum by pushing people to the corner. Plus there are characters like Kitana, Jacqui, and Kano who dont fit in your statement(You can argue Kano and Jacqui get snuffed but Kitana does fine).

4. Royal Storm Kitana, Hish Qu Ten Predator, Full Auto Jacqui. Just because every zoner can't viably zone doesnt mean the game doesnt have zoning.

5. Welcome to Fighting Games. Some characters have better tools than others, it is what it is.

6. The YOMI statement is really bad for two reasons: 1. If you took YOMI out from those players names they would still be in top 8s. Go look back at Injustice and MK9 top 8s where they were all present if you dont believe me. 2. There hasnt even been a Quan Chi v. Predator Grand Finals, and Kung Lao v. Tanya happened pre-patch. By that logic you should complain about erron black v. Kung Lao because that was the grand finals for a good 3-4 tournaments when SonicFox and DJT were dominating everyone.

I can concede on many fronts, but I still find little excitement to be had watching majors as of late. I suppose well enough that my cynacism huts my objectivity (generalization doesn't help either) but I do feel this game doesn't offer much in the way of truly competant and effective zoning, and characters that do so and compete well often have other more lucrative skills that supercede the archetype. Regardless, I find this game to be stifling and I still think there's a huge gap between some of the highly sucessful tiered characters and some of the underdeveloped, more unique variation designs like Unbreakable, Master of Storms, Brood Mother, Hat Trick, etc.

I suppose time alone will answer how this game pans out. But right now I'm equally bored and frustrated by it all.

 

[coolwhip]

Awwww Coolwhip, you're like a bad case of hemorrhoids. You ask for respect you haven't earned. You're obnoxious for the sake of being obnoxious. You don't play or compete. You don't help people level up or grow your characters knowledge (do you even play mkx?) You call out players who are way more invested in the community and way more competent than you are. You're just like, an internet creature, waiting to jump on someone and have 0 stake on it. I really don't understand what are you even doing here lol. Literally the whole purpose of your existence is to point out how everyone sucks but you. It's ok though, I'm sure everyone sits at the edge of their seat waiting to see what Coolwhip is gonna post next about CDjr or something.

Lmao, I don't ask for respect on a forum dedicated to Mortal Kombat. The fuck outta here. Dude, I'm just here having fun on the forum. If you want a medal for leaving your country to practice MK, good for you. Personally, that means nothing to me. I mean sure, I respect it, but it doesn't put you on any pedestal so shut the fuck up about it already. Please stop acting like traveling to tournaments makes you immune to being called out for having the emotional intelligence of a 14 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert. The moment I call out your skills at the game, then you can give me lectures about travelling and investing in the game. The moment someone like Ra Helios claims to be the best with a character while sitting in his mother's basement, then you can claim it's an insult to those who travel and actually prove it, because it is.

But if I sit here and read shitty idiotic posts, and respond accordingly, keep your "I travel to tournaments, invest, do X and Y for the game/community" which is pretty much your de facto answer for everything. You take this way too seriously. You're just paying money to play a video game. Get off your high horse.

Seeing you lose your shit over some inconsequential posts will never cease to be hilarious. As long as this continues, I have a reason to be on the forums.

 

[xWildx]

I can concede on many fronts, but I still find little excitement to be had watching majors as of late. I suppose well enough that my cynacism huts my objectivity (generalization doesn't help either) but I do feel this game doesn't offer much in the way of truly competant and effective zoning, and characters that do so and compete well often have other more lucrative skills that supercede the archetype. Regardless, I find this game to be stifling and I still think there's a huge gap between some of the highly sucessful tiered characters and some of the underdeveloped, more unique variation designs like Unbreakable, Master of Storms, Brood Mother, Hat Trick, etc.

I suppose time alone will answer how this game pans out. But right now I'm equally bored and frustrated by it all.

Don't worry, there's a lot of people who feel the same way as you. They just don't want to go through the same shit the forum is currently putting you through.

 

[SM StarGazer]

Don't worry, there's a lot of people who feel the same way as you. They just don't want to go through the same shit the forum is currently putting you through.

We're all there in terms of frustration but the game is so fun and competitive that we as gamers strive forward. Do I need to mention Mahvel? Perfect example of bad designs yet people still love it. Most are asking for valid points in this discussion as to why Kitana is S tier. Hell I main Mournful and I told Mani at AB: Naw bruh she's good just not that good. She's the answer to momentum based characters. She forces you toplay footies andnot just throw out random d4's. Most think of her so highly cause she pointsout your flaws greatly. Jump-happy. Fan. Zone Happy. Fan/Reflect. Block Happy. Grab. Grab Happy. Tech. Salty. Capitalize.

 

[xWildx]

We're all there but the game isso fun and competitive that we asgamersstrive forward. Do Ineed tomention Mahvel? Perfect example of bad designs before people still love it. Most are asking for valid points. Hell I main Mournful and I told Mani at AB. Naw bruh she's good just not that good. She's the answer to momentum based characters. She forces you toplay footies andnot just throw out random d4's. Most think of her so highly cause she pointsout your flaws greatly. Jump-happy. Fan. Zone Happy. Fan/Reflect. Block Happy. Grab. Grab Happy. Tech. Salty. Capitalize.

......wut

 

[RunwayMafia]

We're all there but the game isso fun and competitive that we asgamersstrive forward. Do Ineed tomention Mahvel? Perfect example of bad designs before people still love it. Most are asking for valid points. Hell I main Mournful and I told Mani at AB. Naw bruh she's good just not that good. She's the answer to momentum based characters. She forces you toplay footies andnot just throw out random d4's. Most think of her so highly cause she pointsout your flaws greatly. Jump-happy. Fan. Zone Happy. Fan/Reflect. Block Happy. Grab. Grab Happy. Tech. Salty. Capitalize.

I can smell the whisky from here...

 

[DOOMSDAY-15RUS-]

I agree more with this list than the YOMI one

 

[SM StarGazer]

I can smell the whisky from here...

Fuck you guys. *Sips*

 

[YoloRoll1stHit]

I just found out: In every single tier list thread there is a huge part discussing whether Kitana is in S tier or not