General/Other - Erron Black Erron Black General Discussion Thread

[The Farmer]

I am so scared that they will do something to 21122, ex-sand and 11

If they touch 21122 its gg Erron in my books haha.

I honestly don't think they will touch the strings. There has been a few patches now where that has been passed up. My only suspicion is ex sand grenade.

 

[21122]

Isnt ex-sand the only big plus move Erron has (outlaw specifically)? Its only like +7 too. So if they make it less safe, outlaw is pretty screwed I think

 

[The Farmer]

Isnt ex-sand the only big plus move Erron has (outlaw specifically)? Its only like +7 too. So if they make it less safe, outlaw is pretty screwed I think

I don't think it will happen, but some folk have been clamoring for removal of all ex multi hitting launchers that are plus. If there was a change it would be across the board for all characters. But again highly doubt this will happen, I don't feel these moves are game breaking at all, they still cost meter.

 

[NBO_7]

Isnt ex-sand the only big plus move Erron has (outlaw specifically)? Its only like +7 too. So if they make it less safe, outlaw is pretty screwed I think

if it jails then yes it needs nerf

but don't forget EB players have to make the read whether the opponent would armor or poke or back dash (mid screen)

i really don't care if they still nerfing him i will keep playing him, he is alot of fun

 

[wsj515]

if it jails then yes it needs nerf

but don't forget EB players have to make the read whether the opponent would armor or poke or back dash (mid screen)

i really don't care if they still nerfing him i will keep playing him, he is alot of fun

It only jails after the last hit of 21122, otherwise you can crossover jip and full combo punish. There might be some other normals/strings that jail, but they aren't central enough to his game to actually matter.

I can't see any changes to EB happening (even buffs to gunslinger, that will be a happy surprise), considering he is a very solid and competitive character sitting on the fringe of top 10.

 

[getoverhere--->]

They need to fix his njp , it used to come out so smooth after b32u1 , now its shit

 

[NBO_7]

It only jails after the last hit of 21122, otherwise you can crossover jip and full combo punish. There might be some other normals/strings that jail, but they aren't central enough to his game to actually matter.

I can't see any changes to EB happening (even buffs to gunslinger, that will be a happy surprise), considering he is a very solid and competitive character sitting on the fringe of top 10.

ya but we cant continue pressure like kung loa, shinnok and tanya

we have to make the read after we do 21122 ex SG

which makes EB fair character

gunslinger buffs would be blast though

 

[NBO_7]

They need to fix his njp , it used to come out so smooth after b32u1 , now its shit

try using jip or b2 instead of the njp

 

[21122]

if it jails then yes it needs nerf

but don't forget EB players have to make the read whether the opponent would armor or poke or back dash (mid screen)

i really don't care if they still nerfing him i will keep playing him, he is alot of fun

They need to fix his njp , it used to come out so smooth after b32u1 , now its shit

A visual tip that helps me with the njp is when you see Erron putting his gun back into his holster, that is when you should attempt a njp

 

[21122]

Yeo its Monday! Get hype!

 

[TKB]

They need to fix his njp , it used to come out so smooth after b32u1 , now its shit

It isn't the NJP, they added more recovery frames to the b32u1 string. It's still perfectly do-able, just way harder online.

 

[21122]

So the Gunslinger buffs are in. Excited to here your guys thoughts on it

I can't remember but did they say SOS2 launches now and is safe? Does that mean you can hit confirm 2112SOS2? :O

 

[ienjoywinning]

So the Gunslinger buffs are in. Excited to here your guys thoughts on it

I can't remember but did they say SOS2 launches now and is safe? Does that mean you can hit confirm 2112SOS2? :O

Yup this actually coin toss has less recovery and is an overhead now , f1 coin toss f13 boyz

 

[lionheart21]

Gunslinger is still the least-viable Erron variation, IMO, but at least he now stands a fighting chance.

 

[DownfouralitY]

Gunslinger is still the least-viable Erron variation, IMO, but at least he now stands a fighting chance.

I think that's way too early to tell. Gunslinger could be really fuckign good with these buffs, I can't wait to try them out.

 

[21122]

Gunslinger is still the least-viable Erron variation, IMO, but at least he now stands a fighting chance.

I don't know about that. I believe they made all the stances safe and SOS2 launches now too, along with the coin toss buff, I think this variation will compete with Outlaw but we won't know until the patch goes live!

 

[CaptainCM]

I really hope we'll be able to f13xxSOS2 and 21122xxSOS2 now. Time to blow the dust off the hat.

 

[Redux]

gs variation always wins in my book because of the hat.

Real happy with the buffs though I can't wait to try them out.

 

[The Farmer]

They didnt go into enough detail, but it looked like you could combo with SOS2 AND..SOS4. I think you can F13-SOS4-and RunCancel in the corner it seemed. But you can do all of that with SOS2 for sure regardless from midscreen. Having the coin overhead now is really nice. I dont think its better then the other two, but it for sure can compete and be competent. We will see if there was anything the missed tomorrow, looked like the start up was boosted up on SOS in general. They didnt say anything about cancelling out with SOS1. We have to wait and see how good the start up/recovery really is on the coin and SOS because they went through it pretty quick.

 

[The Farmer]

So it looks like you can combo EX Coin, SOS2 from mid. SOS4 in the corner me thinks. Steve said that you could do coin in a block string, but to me it still looked interruptable.

 

[HeroesNZ]

Outlaw's 50/50s are now pretty unsafe with no option selects. He still has B32 xx EX SG for the low option but meterless you have to hit-confirm F122 now and he has no safe low option. Marksman could be his best variation depending on how big a deal this turns out to be.

Gunslinger buffs are cool. If I was to guess without testing I'd still put it as a little lower than Outlaw.

 

[21122]

• Erron Black - Towards+FP,BP is now -1 on hit (up from -7)
• Erron Black - Throw is now -3 on hit (up from -10)
• Erron Black (Gunslinger) - Stand Off Stance now activates in 10 frames (down from 11)
• Erron Black (Gunslinger) - Stand Off Quick Shot is now -8 on block (down from -31) and is easier to juggle afterwards on hit
• Erron Black (Gunslinger) - Stand Off Spin Shot now has 20 startup frames (down from 22) and has 10 less recovery frames
• Erron Black (Gunslinger) - Slightly sped up Money Shot & Barrage and they have 7-9 less recovery frames depending on distance
• Erron Black (Gunslinger) - Money Shot & Barrage now hit overhead on the way down

 

[Redux]

• Erron Black - Towards+FP,BP is now -1 on hit (up from -7)

is this f1 and f2?

 

[The Farmer]

Thank god they fixed his throw, that was retarded

 

[The Farmer]

Quick shot was always armor breaking because it was multi-hitting, now you armor break and combo LOL