Has NRS done a good job patching Mortal Kombat X so far?

[Rude]

Takeda's buffs were fine.

Kenshi moved up for sure, but Shinnok barely went up at all...it didn't address his other issues at all.

Erron's nerfs didn't even do anything to null his game. Still a top 3 character IMO.

I disagree. Shinnok is a lot better now. More importantly, we're going to see more of him.

Erron is still in the top 5, but reducing his hit advantage off tackle somewhat weakened his oki game. Making sand toss more negative also helped, because now EB players can't just derp sand toss out all the time.

Honestly, i don't want to see EB get nerfed too much more. Good characters should stay good.

I think buffs need to go toward Kitana, Goro, Necro Shinnok again, a few others.

 

[Wigy]

I wouldn't mind a damage nerf as long ad they leave my tools alone. Granted his real damage comes from super strictt timing.

If the 'super strict timing' is f4 flame aura, i don't even play scorpion just use him for some matchups and i get that every time online. Its not hard, neither are his cancels and i'm pretty average

 

[Wigy]

Hey I like your posts (and I'm getting around to responding to that PM btw, haven't had time lately ) but Tom Brady doesn't speak for all of us. Pretty sure the majority of us thought it could have all been just fine in one thread, and I actually disagreed with some of his crap. I wouldn't say it was 6 pages of crying either, people were arguing on either side it wasn't just a circlejerk



I 100% agree, the changes werent put through because they were the needed balance changes, much stronger characters were untouched. SZ was balanced with the Clone in mind, people don't like having to adapt to a playstyle though.

I think at this point the sub zero community just needs to stop bringing anything about balance up you guys are on probation

 

[Ares_Supreme]

If the 'super strict timing' is f4 flame aura, i don't even play scorpion just use him for some matchups and i get that every time online. Its not hard, neither are his cancels and i'm pretty average

It's a combination of things. F4 flame aura buncha stuff in between into another F4 flame aura following a run cancel into spear fireball cancel teleport. There are manny opportunities to drop these combos at least for me. But as i said the damage isnt that big of a deal to me. I just cant understand why anyone would suggest nerfing the fbc which are the entire variation not to mention all you have to do is let go of block after the 21~ and 2 is a high so you can always uppercut when u anticipate me starting it

 

[Kanalratte]

Online input delay. Please. It becomes nigh impossible sometimes when the game jumps between little delay to lots then none. It just ends up being a very frustrating experience, especially when you want to try and practice and get better. I'm trying to learn Raiden's TG LRC and I'll get it offline around 60% of the time, but online its like pressing buttons through tar. I know people have more horror stories than this, but it has become a problem when you wish to improve via online.

it would already help if people would go wired instead of wireless connection

 

[Ares_Supreme]

However, i dont understand why HF scorpion is at an advantage with dash canceling his 214 fireball. I dont think liu has that same or similar advantage

 

[I GOT HANDS]

I think at this point the sub zero community just needs to stop bringing anything about balance up you guys are on probation

How come? Because TB made like 4 threads, the rest of the Sub-Zero players, including people like me who disagreed and contested him in more than one of those threads, can't even discuss balance? I came in here and mentioned several examples of why I am not super impressed with NRS's position on balancing so far, only one of these was Sub-Zero, and a bunch of non-SZ mains are the ones who derailed this thread into Ice Clone balancing, so you can blame them for that. My statement was just that I don't like how it appears that NRS is crowdsourcing their balance patches, whoever whines the loudest gets fixed, Sub-Zero shouldn't be getting nerfed OR buffed at any stage in this game, while we still have characters in the current state of Reptile & Kitana, and on the other end of the spectrum, Raiden and Kung Jin. Instead, they prioritized him because that's where the whinging was focused.

Goes both ways, fixing hitboxes is one thing, but TB going on about "Ice clone must be made safe off F42 ASAP!!!" is ridiculous as well, and should be equally ignored. Let's bring the outlying characters closer to mid tier so we can actually see what it is that the mid-tier characters need.

 

[ShaolinGunFu]

raiden was overnerfed.

 

[Wigy]

It's a combination of things. F4 flame aura buncha stuff in between into another F4 flame aura following a run cancel into spear fireball cancel teleport. There are manny opportunities to drop these combos at least for me. But as i said the damage isnt that big of a deal to me. I just cant understand why anyone would suggest nerfing the fbc which are the entire variation not to mention all you have to do is let go of block after the 21~ and 2 is a high so you can always uppercut when u anticipate me starting it

So i NEED to take a hit which you can read and punish safely by changing up to 21 FBC, because you chose to end your meterless 32% combo with ANOTHER restand with your chip damage aura up.

Not to mention how easy scorpion gets a JIP in this game

I can't even vaguely see how this can be considered in keeping with game balance.

I'm not going to get into a big debate about this, scorpion's execution is playschool compared with half the cast.

 

[Wigy]

How come? Because TB made like 4 threads, the rest of the Sub-Zero players, including people like me who disagreed and contested him in more than one of those threads, can't even discuss balance? I came in here and mentioned several examples of why I am not super impressed with NRS's position on balancing so far, only one of these was Sub-Zero, and a bunch of non-SZ mains are the ones who derailed this thread into Ice Clone balancing, so you can blame them for that.

Sub zero community are #1 whining offenders and you know it. Unless ofcourse prepatch pig of the hut counts as a community

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Sub zero community are #1 whining offenders and you know it. Unless ofcourse prepatch pig of the hut counts as a community

I accidently submitted my post unfinished, just touched it up, so have a look at where I'm coming from on this. And whether other members of the community may be whining or not, I don't think it's fair to say everyone with a SZ avatar can't even post on these forums anymore lol cause thats where this is going. I mentioned a bunch of things other than Sub, not my fault if the salt is so strong that threads get derailed

 

[Ares_Supreme]

So i NEED to take a hit which you can read and punish safely by changing up to 21 FBC, because you chose to end your meterless 32% combo with ANOTHER restand with your chip damage aura up.

Not to mention how easy scorpion gets a JIP in this game

I can't even vaguely see how this can be considered in keeping with game balance.

I'm not going to get into a big debate about this, scorpion's execution is playschool compared with half the cast.

You are completely over simplfying things. if you get caught in fbc pressure you deserve to take the pressure or take the hit. Not to mention there are quite a few characters with free pressure options no stamina no nothing. At least fireball cancels are capped at 2 runs and a dash with that can be escaped.

Other characters need to be brought up to par not vice versa. I play Liu kang but he feels weak compared to some of the other characters i have played.

 

[Wigy]

I accidently submitted my post unfinished, just touched it up, so have a look at where I'm coming from on this. And whether other members of the community may be whining or not, I don't think it's fair to say everyone with a SZ avatar can't even post on these forums anymore lol cause thats where this is going. I mentioned a bunch of things other than Sub, not my fault if the salt is so strong that threads get derailed

I wasn't being serious with the probation, but at the same time i think subzero mains should stop bringing him up or else every thread will get derailed.

 

[Ares_Supreme]

If Scorpion gets nerfed so be it. Im not gonna bitch about it. I'll either deal with it or find a new main. I mained liu he got nerfed mained raiden he got nerfed so just keep them coming

 

[I GOT HANDS]

If Scorpion gets nerfed so be it. Im not gonna bitch about it. I'll either deal with it or find a new main. I mained liu he got nerfed mained raiden he got nerfed so just keep them coming

Most tier whores only play characters in need of nerfs, you playing Scorpion just further supports that he might need looking at

 

[Wigy]

You are completely over simplfying things. if you get caught in fbc pressure you deserve to take the pressure or take the hit. Not to mention there are quite a few characters with free pressure options no stamina no nothing. At least fireball cancels are capped at 2 runs and a dash with that can be escaped.

Other characters need to be brought up to par not vice versa. I play Liu kang but he feels weak compared to some of the other characters i have played.

If i get caught? You put it at the end of your easy to start massive damage meterless combos. Unlike jax raiden and JC (which are harder) its COMPLETELY UNINTERRUPTABLE. What better pressure options are there than like 10 hits guaranteed with 50/50 mixups at the end of a 32% meterless combo

Im not oversimplifying you're overcomplicating to downplay.

Only other character with pressure that good is d'vora and she has no air control, where scorp has arguably the best in the game.

I'm going to sleep now but yeah, you're downplaying 100% most scorpion mains agree its dumb as fuck. Liu kang is a rushdown character with no true 50/50 weak meterless damage and his pressure isn't that good.. Lol

 

[BloodyNights]

If Scorpion gets nerfed so be it. Im not gonna bitch about it. I'll either deal with it or find a new main. I mained liu he got nerfed mained raiden he got nerfed so just keep them coming

I just hope if they nerf Scorpion, it is solely Hellfire. Inferno is one of the most balanced characters in the game.

 

[Bidu]

They nerfed Sub-Zero more than he needed (and I'm solely talking about Clone vanishing on block, it fucks Sub in a whole new level against Tanya), however those 2 patches were good overall.

I just think they went out too soon. We are living in the Reality Era, like pro-wrestler Triple H likes to call it. It's everything happening too fast. I'm not that old that I would not remember that not that long ago we didn't even had to deal with correction patches. NRS really shouldn't have released those patches so soon. Obviously it would be fine to release patches to fix broken shit, like infinites, meter bug and stuff. But it's been a bit longer than 2 months, 2 freaking months and 2 patches released... If they keep going at this rate, by the end of year there's probably gonna be 5-6 more patches out?

Let the game breath. Give time to players test and get to know the game better. EVEN better. In my honest opinion I would prefer patches coming out after EVO 2015. That would be longer for people get to know game and match ups and know what's what.

 

[Bidu]

I just hope if they nerf Scorpion, it is solely Hellfire. Inferno is one of the most balanced characters in the game.

I hate dealing with Scopion Hellfire myself, but I really can't tell your any nerf he NEEDS. Well maybe his Jump in kick... that shit is too OP, I can't even jump without getting full comboed against Scorpion. Well, but that's a Scorpion core thing, not variation. lol

 

[Ares_Supreme]

Most tier whores only play characters in need of nerfs, you playing Scorpion just further supports that he might need looking at

Bitter and overly sensitive. Funny that you ironically played GM who fits exactly into the category you just described. Get over it.

 

[BloodyNights]

I hate dealing with Scopion Hellfire myself, but I really can't tell your any nerf he NEEDS. Well maybe his Jump in kick... that shit is too OP, I can't even jump without getting full comboed against Scorpion. Well, but that's a Scorpion core thing, not variation. lol

If you are Sub-Zero, he has the exact same jump 3 as Scorpion, only difference is Scorpion gets a lot more out of it than Sub-Zero. lol

 

[Wigy]

They nerfed Sub-Zero more than he needed (and I'm solely talking about Clone vanishing on block, it fucks Sub in a whole new level against Tanya), however those 2 patches were good overall.

I just think they went out too soon. We are living in the Reality Era, like pro-wrestler Triple H likes to call it. It's everything happening too fast. I'm not that old that I would not remember that not that long ago we didn't even had to deal with correction patches. NRS really shouldn't have released those patches so soon. Obviously it would be fine to release patches to fix broken shit, like infinites, meter bug and stuff. But it's been a bit longer than 2 months, 2 freaking months and 2 patches released... If they keep going at this rate, by the end of year there's probably gonna be 5-6 more patches out?

Let the game breath. Give time to players test and get to know the game better. EVEN better. In my honest opinion I would prefer patches coming out after EVO 2015. That would be longer for people get to know game and match ups and know what's what.

Nope nope nope. Out on block needed to go. Stop this now.

Doesn't matter if it knocked him out the top 5, the meta for some matchups was horrible prepatch. Getting of that is more important than him staying top tier

 

[Ares_Supreme]

If i get caught? You put it at the end of your easy to start massive damage meterless combos. Unlike jax raiden and JC (which are harder) its COMPLETELY UNINTERRUPTABLE. What better pressure options are there than like 10 hits guaranteed with 50/50 mixups at the end of a 32% meterless combo

Im not oversimplifying you're overcomplicating to downplay.

Only other character with pressure that good is d'vora and she has no air control, where scorp has arguably the best in the game.

I'm going to sleep now but yeah, you're downplaying 100% most scorpion mains agree its dumb as fuck. Liu kang is a rushdown character with no true 50/50 weak meterless damage and his pressure isn't that good.. Lol

You can't blame other players for your getting caught in combos like that's ridiculous. Scorpion isnt making any waves in any tournaments and even MIT drops the Fbcs from time to time and has consistently been forced to switch to Tanya. You can get super passionate and call me downplayer all you want it doesn't make you OPINION any more valid than my own. Like I said, if he gets nerfed i'll find something else if necessary instead of crying for nerfs on other people's characters.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

Bitter and overly sensitive. Funny that you ironically played GM who fits exactly into the category you just described. Get over it.

Mid tier character, both before and after the nerfs, who I've stuck with SINCE the nerfs, and who I mained back in MK9? Sure. That makes sense. Absolute tier whoring right there.

This isn't even a stab at you, I'm just saying, you literally just said you mained Raiden until the nerfs, swapped to Scorpion, and if they nerf him you will swap again. If this isn't tier whoring, what is? The fact that players like you are using Scorpion right now just suggests he's the kind that might be in need of looking at.

And I'm not even saying that he does, I'm fine with Scorpion as is. Just saying, tier whores saying they gonna jump ship to the next OP character if he gets nerfed, kinda hurts the argument that hes fine

 

[Wigy]

You can't blame other players for your getting caught in combos like that's ridiculous. Scorpion isnt making any waves in any tournaments and even MIT drops the Fbcs from time to time and has consistently been forced to switch to Tanya. You can get super passionate and call me downplayer all you want it doesn't make you OPINION any more valid than my own. Like I said, if he gets nerfed i'll find something else if necessary instead of crying for nerfs on other people's characters.

No character should get 44% meterless. End of discussion.

Im not saying scorpion is overpowered or top 5, im saying even if he gets buffs in other areas that fbc has to go, and his meterless damage needs toned down,

I just don't like stupid shit in the game, kotal aint even top 10 and i think his JIP needs to go. Its 3/4 screen wtf