Video/Tutorial - Takeda How to Deal with Takeda f12 2+4 cancel pressure.

[Zyphox]

i've wanted to make this thread and video for 3 days now but i got sick after combo breaker and couldn't do it. anyway before i say anything, again congrats to @RedRaptor10 for making top 8 at Combo Breaker. this video is in no way shape or form trying to discredit you or any players that you played at Combo breaker because MU knowledge is a skill you must learn in NRS games. i think you did a great job using what was given to you and you taught me a lot about takeda and MKX in general with your play last weekend. all credit for this video goes to Redraptor as he is the one who showed me this can be done.

Now the reason i'm even posting this is because i want the takeda community to not rely on f12 2+4 pressure so much in the event that you run into someone who knows the MU. like any character we all need to find a way to execute a gameplan incase plan A and plan B go south.

again most of the cast you can still do f12 2+4 and tele cancel on the first hit and be safe if you block, but this opens up opportunity for the opponent to initiate offense if he knows thats your only option. against faster characters committing to f12 2+4 is like committing suicide and it really sucks. Sub zero is one of takeda worst MU's IMO because of this.

Anyway takeda's of tym discuss what you think we can do to have a back up plan incase someone knows the above.

*note Quan Chi actually will get hit after armoring f12 2+4 if you cancel into spear or close kunai on reaction.

 

[Slips]

Um, don't you yourself know the matchup? You act and sound like you do. But didn't Red Raptor play you in a long set in casuals at Combo Breaker and you couldn't get a game?

The hate is strong with this one.

 

[Braindead]

but i got sick after combo breaker

Of course you were

I kid I kid, good video.

Does Takeda have an overhead starter or a reason to scare people into stand block in the neutral?

 

[Zyphox]

@HomeLee1121
@Grawlix
@gross

 

[Zyphox]

Um, don't you yourself know the matchup? You act and sound like you do. But didn't Red Raptor play you in a long set in casuals at Combo Breaker and you couldn't get a game?

The hate is strong with this one.

this is false i did win games when we takeda mirrored, and i even beat him with Lao before i left. i don't understand wtf is your problem, i'm not even trying to downplay takeda, i'm showing useful information on what to do against takeda and help takeda players find something else besides this pressure incase someone knows that MU. but you strike me as the one and done kind of guy so i bet you wont respond to this lol

 

[Zyphox]

Of course you were

I kid I kid, good video.

Does Takeda have an overhead starter or a reason to scare people into stand block in the neutral?

you can duck during the string to blow this up, so even if you start standing as soon as he starts doing this string just duck then if you have meter armor accordingly.

 

[Braindead]

you can duck during the string to blow this up, so even if you start standing as soon as he starts doing this string just duck then if you have meter armor accordingly.

Ah I see my next question would've been if f12 jails into standing block.

 

[Zyphox]

Ah I see my next question would've been if f12 jails into standing block.

yeah maybe if they fixed it to do that it would be better, but i don't know of any strings in this game that jails standing throughout the duration.

 

[Wetdoba]

If you are playing against a character that can blow you up for this why not switch to Ronin so you can be plus with blade drop cancels?

Oh wait no one learns variations in this game unless they are the day 1 best

 

[Zyphox]

If you are playing against a character that can blow you up for this why not switch to Ronin so you can be plus with blade drop cancels?

Oh wait no one learns variations in this game unless they are the day 1 best

because we are not talking about ronin takeda in this thread? you are right though blade drop pressure is good, but doesn't mean we should abandon shirai ryu and lasher variations.

 

[HomeLee1121]

takeda is top 5

 

[Wetdoba]

because we are not talking about ronin takeda in this thread? you are right though blade drop pressure is good, but doesn't mean we should abandon shirai ryu and lasher variations.

The video is all about Shirai Ryu specific gaps though, yet the title just says Takeda, as if Shirai Ryu is the only Takeda. Same goes for when people make videos saying "how to beat Subzero" or "how to beat Kung Jin" when they when they only show stuff on "how to beat Grandmaster Sub" or "how to beat Bojutsu KJ." Little things like that can reveal and/or influence the community's true outlook on the character and I think it'll do nothing but slow down the evolution of the game, on top of it being super lame.

 

[Yoaks]

takeda is top 5

God your such a downplayer.

 

[HomeLee1121]

If you are playing against a character that can blow you up for this why not switch to Ronin so you can be plus with blade drop cancels?

Oh wait no one learns variations in this game unless they are the day 1 best

blade cancel's are not even that plus. You can actually start pressure after blade drops....unless you're kenshi lol

 

[GuerillaTactix]

Swear to god I labbed this three days before combo breaker. My buddy was sayimg something about there probably being hidden tech in the tele cancels and tri kunai.. So I labbed it. I set my dummy to jax, had him do reversal Dash Fist, did my pressure, did the tele cancel into block messed up and found out you could duck Jax's dash fist for a full 44 combo punish.

And before I could rape the world with the tele cancels that I've been practicing mad hard on every character that I ONLY tested while STANDING BLOCKING... You reminded me of the error in my ways.. I did not test on crouching opponents..
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#bufftakeda

 

[Zyphox]

The video is all about Shirai Ryu specific gaps though, yet the title just says Takeda, as if Shirai Ryu is the only Takeda. Same goes for when people make videos saying "how to beat Subzero" or "how to beat Kung Jin" when they when they only show stuff on "how to beat Grandmaster Sub" or "how to beat Bojutsu KJ." Little things like that can reveal and/or influence the community's true outlook on the character and I think it'll do nothing but slow down the evolution of the game, on top of it being super lame.

i realize that but like you said thats more of a community issue, next time i'll put the variation in the title just for you okay babe?

 

[Wetdoba]

blade cancel's are not even that plus. You can actually start pressure after blade drops....unless you're kenshi lol

The point is that "not even that plus" blade drop cancels are better than "punishable at -9" with teleport cancels

 

[HomeLee1121]

The point is that "not even that plus" blade drop cancels are better than "punishable at -9" with teleport cancels

you right, my bad

 

[haketh]

Um, don't you yourself know the matchup? You act and sound like you do. But didn't Red Raptor play you in a long set in casuals at Combo Breaker and you couldn't get a game?

The hate is strong with this one.

That doesn't disprove his point at all or have anything to do with the information presented in the thread Jesus. And hate I mean Jesus he even gave Raptor credit & props for this

 

[Zyphox]

The point is that "not even that plus" blade drop cancels are better than "punishable at -9" with teleport cancels

certain strings in ronin are really + on block, on the flip side takeda is slow and has a hard time keeping pressure in that variation IF they know the MU. i feel like ronin is secretly really go, we just need to find a way to do safe pressure and mix it up a bit.

 

[Jaku2011]

Man people try to blow you up fast good video.

 

[REDRUM]

Um, don't you yourself know the matchup? You act and sound like you do. But didn't Red Raptor play you in a long set in casuals at Combo Breaker and you couldn't get a game?

The hate is strong with this one.

I dont sense any hate in the video at all...

 

[Rickyraws]

During the NRS stream people felt Lasher was going to be OP due to the overhead.

It wasn't until today that I even remembered he had that variation. I'm guessing Lasher isn't as versatile as the other two?


If Takeda is a telepath, how did he not see this coming?

 

[Zyphox]

That doesn't disprove his point at all or have anything to do with the information presented in the thread Jesus. And hate I mean Jesus he even gave Raptor credit & props for this

its okay i deserve it.

 

[Slips]

this is false i did win games when we takeda mirrored, and i even beat him with Lao before i left. i don't understand wtf is your problem, i'm not even trying to downplay takeda, i'm showing useful information on what to do against takeda and help takeda players find something else besides this pressure incase someone knows that MU. but you strike me as the one and done kind of guy so i bet you wont respond to this lol

a) The move takes up half the screen. How are some characters supposed to get in if it doesn't have some sort of weakness? You complain about how bad it is on whiff but my God if you somehow get that thing to whiff that's your bad.

b) They have to have meter. This isn't Injustice where meter is abundant. It's a lot more precious in this game.

c) f12 is hit confirmable into the 2+4. If they know you can armor through and you see they are ducking blocking, just don't do the the 2+4 after.

d) You can also f1 into 2+4, making it it even harder to react to being able to armor through since it's a single hit into the 2+4.

e) Since they have to be pretty committed to duck blocking in order to armor through this string, that opens up his b21 overhead for big damage.

Takeda is fine. You were wrong.