Testers and Early Tournaments

[Tom Brady]

After all of Tom's wailing over not being able to get games in injustice (especially when he visited other regions) it seems a bit hypocritical to not help these guys level up and just play and enjoy the game with them.

Right... I've done nothing to help ppl level up. Funny especially since you wasted no time in wanting help with SZ stuff. Knowledge that I gladly made public. I put out a SZ guide that not only ran down the read progression, it even told you the order that the opponent would use which option. Yup.. no help at all.


If you all feel that I should not attend NWM out of "fairness", then I will not. Just let me know in time to at least get a refund on airfare.

 

[NurzBenny]

I know it's expensive but if you want to train with the best mkx players and bring that knowledge back with you to your scene I recommend it. You may not win nwm but the quality time you spend training with the testers could win you multiple locals and make up for the funds lost in the long term

Dink, to the PM's. I've gotta buy my ticket, like today. You still got them rooooooms?

 

[SaltShaker]

What a I was saying was I played for technically more than a month. Its a question that I get asked 99999 times per day and god help me if I even shave off 1 day and someone finds out. That 1 day will turn into 6 months. I cannot stand the rumors over the years of me having a game at least a year in advance, this is why I am so forthcoming post launch.

Out of all the locals in the entire country that all testers attended, this was THE ONLY ONE IN THE ENTIRE USA THAT WAS OFF LIMITS?

You want no one with any advantage? Fine, I'll gladly agree to that. But that also includes anyone who is known to have had the game a week prior to launch, or even longer. I am not ok with deciding who's advantage is ok and who's is not. Its either all KNOWN advantage is out or in.

I think the issue was entering a paid entry tourney and then proceeding to body the pot bonus, not just a one week tester entering some random local.

Thanks for taking the time to clarify the timeline thing up. For someone who is reading in a thread or hearing people say you told them you'd been playing for two months it sounds like something completely different.

As far as advantage, that's the part I disagree on. Getting the game on a Friday when it releases on Tuesday, and entering a tournament is too small of an advantage to expect someone to sit out. Where as someone in your cases who played 33 days of MKX, had a huge advantage against people who still aren't punishing -21 moves on block.

Though I do understand some people don't care and some do. Some wanna play even if you've been playing since 2013, others want to play when they are up to speed. I can't knock anyone for playing as I would have done the exact same thing, but you also have to be real about it and expect that there is gonna be some heat behind it.

 

[The Farmer]

Right... I've done nothing to help ppl level up. Funny especially since you wasted no time in wanting help with SZ stuff. Knowledge that I gladly made public. I put out a SZ guide that not only ran down the read progression, it even told you the order that the opponent would use which option. Yup.. no help at all.

I completely agree with this. Tom flat out blue printed all of his knowledge on Sub Zero for FREE in variation by variation analysis and posted it here at TYM. Not sure how much more he can help when he has already unloaded everything he knows up to this point.

 

[Insuperable]

If Pnut is the mouth of the illuminati, does that mean that everyone in the illuminati is complaining with him?

 

[IKizzLE]

Right... I've done nothing to help ppl level up. Funny especially since you wasted no time in wanting help with SZ stuff. Knowledge that I gladly made public. I put out a SZ guide that not only ran down the read progression, it even told you the order that the opponent would use which option. Yup.. no help at all.


If you all feel that I should not attend NWM out of "fairness", then I will not. Just let me know in time to at least get a refund on airfare.

Bro, don't do this.
Go to NWM lol.

 

[eddypistons]

After reading all of the concerns being posted 6 pages deep I feel many peoples perspectives and just want people to see what I seen from my point of view from this whole " debacle. " So 2 of my good friends, REO and mostly Brady because I have known him for the past 15 or more years, very good friends indeed, came out here to celebrate Bradys Bday with the goons. I told him about some local tournys and maybe a sponsorship type of opportunity that could be had if went to them. They went, paid there money like everyone else, and they won. The tournament organizers didn't have anything bad to say about them being there and it was best for business because more views came in just knowing the names of REO and TB was at the tourney. Reo lost at both local tournaments, Jop and Cat both beat him which is good shitz on there part ( anytime you can mash in their head I'm with it ) and he almost got peaced out many times because of his lack of knowledge in a new game. Yes, they knew the game a lil better than everyone else there, but how did that help out when his head got mashed in. From what I am understanding the game has by FAR been changed from what they seen at nrs so tell me again how much advantage was it when they were not running thru the brackets again???

Reading all of this makes it seem like you guys think they really flew all the way from the east coast, last minute, paid about $500 or more to come to 2 dallas local tournaments to " mop " it up and win pot bonus money that combined wouldn't cover one of their tickets for coming out here, lol. WTF hell???? We have to be better than this people, come on man. One solid ? though, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TO TELL FRIENDS OF MINE THAT THEY SHOULDNT BE IN DALLAS TO ENJOY THEMSELVES OUT HERE AND DO AS THEY PLEASE THAT THEY CAN'T!!!! That's unbe-LIEVABLE man!! There are always tournys somewhere where someone goes that knows a lil more and try to win a prize, blame them. All the mom and pop store tournys for a free game or surprise prize pot, gamestop tournys, any kind, there is always someone that takes advantage and no fucks are given. At the combat Houston tourney I bet you this, if a local or someone that just bought the game and pays his money to join and play at that tourney, you guys would smile, whup that azz without the common courtesy to give them a reach around and never think about that player again except when they would come to another tourney and add to the pot for you, GTFOOH, lol... So should they say you shouldn't play in a tourney because of your "advantage"

Go fuck yourselves, it was a good tourney, lots of promise out of everyone and hopefully everyone keeps playing and practicing and bring the heat once we see each other again....

 

[roosTakk]

Welp.

This thread is a shit show

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

we talkin' bout.... practice?

 

[eddypistons]

Thank god the Capcom and Namco communities don't act like this when they bring over foreign players to hype up they competitive scene and make American tourney players that want to get on the highest level up there game. The Japanese players in Capcom and Korean and Japanese players in Tekken both had advantages in getting the game first and top players to play, still come to all our tourneys in America and still win a majority of them for amounts far more than $200 first place money, yet the communities don't cry like this, why???? Because they are gamers man, man up, respect it or don't play. Ridiculous......

 

[SaltShaker]

Do you follow boxing as well? That Provo vs. Matthyse fight this weekend was brutal.

Hell yea I do lol. It was. I follow boxing so much that I'm actually not excited to see Floyd/Pac lol.

 

[d3v]

I find it weird that it's only the NRS community that seems to make a big stink about this. I mean, we all know that every fighting game out there gets tested in the hands of top players (both publicly and in secret).

Yes, people who get a chance to test find out tech first. At the same time however, people are underestimating the value of plain old fighting game fundamentals. Alot of these players have good enough fundamentals that they'll most likely win anyway even without having tested the game.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

If we want to have a serious sport, we need to have serious rules. These rules need to give equal playing ground for all players when a new game comes out.

Do I blame them for going and cleaning up? hell no. I would do the same thing if I could win a few hundred bucks and there were no rules to stop me. Reality is that when you look objectively, the argument that justifies tester playing contradicts itself quite a bit.

If we all have had the game for 4-5 days and testers have had the game the same amount, but also had 5 days of concentrated testing with other elite players we are talking about a minimum of 10 days of play time vs 4-5.

This early in the game, that difference is huge and it should be regulated for any local or major to be taken seriously. Does it really matter to me? not really but there is a huge difference in being a poor man's sport and a serious legitimate sport that pays out real money. Should we blame the testers for taking advantage of a chance to make an extra buck on an unregulated sport? not at all...props to them being smart enough to do that. Now its on us to set the right expectation for new games in the future.

 

[LionHeart V1]

Let the testers play you jabronis. I wanna be able to see high level play and steal all the strategy and tech as quickly as possible.

 

[MadeFromMetal]

Hell yea I do lol. It was. I follow boxing so much that I'm actually not excited to see Floyd/Pac lol.

Oh man, that's not the case with me. All these fights coming up and then MannyMay smack dab in the middle is just the best. Just watched Crawford, watched Chaves Jr get his ass beat, then Klitschko, MannyMay, Canelo, GGG, Chocolatito, all back to back AND THAT'S JUST HBO! Not to mention Sho and whatever PBC is gonna do. It's a good time to not be a boxing casual.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

I find it weird that it's only the NRS community that seems to make a big stink about this. I mean, we all know that every fighting game out there gets tested in the hands of top players (both publicly and in secret).

Yes, people who get a chance to test find out tech first. At the same time however, people are underestimating the value of plain old fighting game fundamentals. Alot of these players have good enough fundamentals that they'll most likely win anyway even without having tested the game.

in theory this is correct, but that doesn't make the advantage any less present. It just becomes harder to tell why they won. All testers that enter week one tournaments know that they have a substantial advantage over the rest of people. Any chance of players overcoming the skill gap becomes less likely when that advantage is in play. Granted like I just said, I would do the same thing if I was a tester but I feel it should be regulated if we want to be taken seriously as a sport.

 

[Clark L.]

Pnut wants it to be one way . . . but it's the OTHER way

 

[Mattix]

After reading all of the concerns being posted 6 pages deep I feel many peoples perspectives and just want people to see what I seen from my point of view from this whole " debacle. " So 2 of my good friends, REO and mostly Brady because I have known him for the past 15 or more years, very good friends indeed, came out here to celebrate Bradys Bday with the goons. I told him about some local tournys and maybe a sponsorship type of opportunity that could be had if went to them. They went, paid there money like everyone else, and they won. The tournament organizers didn't have anything bad to say about them being there and it was best for business because more views came in just knowing the names of REO and TB was at the tourney. Reo lost at both local tournaments, Jop and Cat both beat him which is good shitz on there part ( anytime you can mash in their head I'm with it ) and he almost got peaced out many times because of his lack of knowledge in a new game. Yes, they knew the game a lil better than everyone else there, but how did that help out when his head got mashed in. From what I am understanding the game has by FAR been changed from what they seen at nrs so tell me again how much advantage was it when they were not running thru the brackets again???

Reading all of this makes it seem like you guys think they really flew all the way from the east coast, last minute, paid about $500 or more to come to 2 dallas local tournaments to " mop " it up and win pot bonus money that combined wouldn't cover one of their tickets for coming out here, lol. WTF hell???? We have to be better than this people, come on man. One solid ? though, WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU PEOPLE TO TELL FRIENDS OF MINE THAT THEY SHOULDNT BE IN DALLAS TO ENJOY THEMSELVES OUT HERE AND DO AS THEY PLEASE THAT THEY CAN'T!!!! That's unbe-LIEVABLE man!! There are always tournys somewhere where someone goes that knows a lil more and try to win a prize, blame them. All the mom and pop store tournys for a free game or surprise prize pot, gamestop tournys, any kind, there is always someone that takes advantage and no fucks are given. At the combat Houston tourney I bet you this, if a local or someone that just bought the game and pays his money to join and play at that tourney, you guys would smile, whup that azz without the common courtesy to give them a reach around and never think about that player again except when they would come to another tourney and add to the pot for you, GTFOOH, lol... So should they say you shouldn't play in a tourney because of your "advantage"

Go fuck yourselves, it was a good tourney, lots of promise out of everyone and hopefully everyone keeps playing and practicing and bring the heat once we see each other again....

What does Kombat Houston have to deal with this?

 

[haketh]

If you all feel that I should not attend NWM out of "fairness", then I will not. Just let me know in time to at least get a refund on airfare.

I'm not gonna front, knowing so many testers are there I'm personally not entering MKX, but come & play! I have no problems with testers entering, I just feel in my situation it's better I just try to play as many casuals as possible, most of Seattle has no problems with you guys playing.

Now with that said I can definitley see where @Pnut & the other Texas players are coming from, yeah it's a bit of salt but it's understandable salt.

Thank god the Capcom and Namco communities don't act like this when they bring over foreign players to hype up they competitive scene and make American tourney players that want to get on the highest level up there game. The Japanese players in Capcom and Korean and Japanese players in Tekken both had advantages in getting the game first and top players to play, still come to all our tourneys in America and still win a majority of them for amounts far more than $200 first place money, yet the communities don't cry like this, why???? Because they are gamers man, man up, respect it or don't play. Ridiculous......

They do, I know for a fact Capcom players have voiced concern over JP players coming over for early tournaments & have chosen not to compete for that reason. Same with anime community & other FG communities.

I find it weird that it's only the NRS community that seems to make a big stink about this. I mean, we all know that every fighting game out there gets tested in the hands of top players (both publicly and in secret).

Yes, people who get a chance to test find out tech first. At the same time however, people are underestimating the value of plain old fighting game fundamentals. Alot of these players have good enough fundamentals that they'll most likely win anyway even without having tested the game.

You especially need to stop talking like an authority on anything

 

[Dramatica]

Yet the communities don't cry like this, why???? Because they are gamers man, man up, respect it or don't play. Ridiculous......

Attendees had the game for four days, and many have jobs. Tom specified at least 33 days, and probably low-balled. Some of us think it's uncool to enter a pot bonus tourney in that case. No one said they should be blocked from entering. Withholding themselves from tourneys would be a personal choice. Many of us think it would be healthier for the community to do so for a little longer than four days.

 

[Tom Brady]

I find it weird that it's only the NRS community that seems to make a big stink about this. I mean, we all know that every fighting game out there gets tested in the hands of top players (both publicly and in secret).

Yes, people who get a chance to test find out tech first. At the same time however, people are underestimating the value of plain old fighting game fundamentals. Alot of these players have good enough fundamentals that they'll most likely win anyway even without having tested the game.

It is not a tester issue, its a Tom Brady issue. The jokes and rumors of me actually being a bad player went from false perception to reality. It is this that gets so many all up in arms early in the game. It happened in MK9 as well but no one mentioned that I was till placing 2 years later. People just see this as a player who would actually be bad, looking good only because he tested and it is impossible to imagine said player ever actually being good.

 

[MaceWind]

I LOL at these threads because I've been saying this for YEARS! The testers should be prohibited from entering for a brief period following the games launch. Until this happens I say stop wasting your time & money. Wait until the game is a little more mature before you venture out.

I'll repeat myself: NRS should sponsor these testers to attend tournaments and put on an MKX clinic. The testers can generate additional interest in the game plus help educate players. They could also play money matches any maybe win a bit of scratch. The general public gets an opportunity to legitimately compete in early tournaments. Everyone will be included and no one feels cheated. The OP of this thread obviously feels cheated and I can't say I blame him.

 

[ForeverKing]

This was a huge topic of discussion in Injustice and it's time for this to be handled. This past weekend I was apart of two tournaments in the Dallas area that each had pot bonuses of $150 and $200 each. I was going under the impression that I could do well and possibly get some money, but as soon as I walked in, I realize I had no chance. I saw Tom and Reo playing.

Let me preface this and say that I like both of them. Tom even bought me a beer this weekend. The problem I have is that they entered and won (little surprise) these tournaments and made tons of money. I traveled 3 hours to go to these and if they weren't there, I would've placed top 2 at both of them. I'm not one to make excuses, if you ask anyone I talk to I take my tournament losses hard and look to improve from them. But the fact of the matter is that when I lost to both Tom and Reo, I don't feel like I was specifically outplayed. I acknowledge that their tournament resume's far surpass mine and that they will probably be better players than me in the end, but I felt like I simply got beat by an unfair advantage. KH Cat and Starcharger may have felt similar; they traveled from Houston to come to these tournaments just to be in the same situation as me. Cat could've probably won one or both.

From my understanding they were both there for a sponsorship deal with Versus Gameplay ... which is great. Good for them. But having two guys that come in that talked about playing the games for months body everyone without breaking a sweat isn't a good showing for the game. Using your timed advantage to win pot bonuses doesn't seem cool to me. They won somewhere in the neighborhood of $700 combined, which is a substantial amount of money to be had. From my understanding, there are other people that entered week 1 tournaments as well, such as Dizzy at GGA on Thursday. But the reason I don't think this is as big of a deal because the tournament is free to enter. There were also a ton of testers (Chris G, Art) that entered the ESL Preseason Cup, but this was free and online so there wasn't much of a sacrifice. It's also my understanding that some testers are traveling to Northwest Majors this weekend ... is this ok?

In my opinion, I think a month is fine, but first week seems unfair. If I lose to Tom and Reo at Combo Breaker, I'll hold my loss and move on. So I ask this of you, the community. When this much money is on the line this early, would you like it if someone who claims they've been playing for months came and won it all? Was this ok and am I wrong in complaining and bringing this up? Or should this be regulated in some way?

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@KingHippo
@GGA 16 Bit
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Well from what I know Kombat Houston had MKX a week before release, so I wouldn't say Cat was at a disadvantage at all.

But anyways yeah testers are fine. I played Pimpimjim and Dizzy in casuals this weekend and yes they were really good, but they didn't seem so far ahead of the curve that they were unstoppable. I broke even in casuals with both of them. They were definitely beatable.

The game has been out for long enough now that anyone could have played over 200 hours of it. Testers are fine I say now

 

[KH_Seraph]

Just to kind of clear up any misconceptions, Pnut is not affiliated with KH.

 

[BillStickers]

it would, just someone else would have made it and everyone would agree with the OP unlike this thread

It's so crazy how Chicago and Atlanta groupies are all over this thread about a random Texas local. I wonder who could be behind it...