Something that SERIOUSLY bothers me...

[xKhaoTik]

One thing I CANNOT STAND about this community is the mentality on tier placements. The vibe you guys give me about tier placements is:

"If a character makes top 8, he/she is top 10. If a character doesn't make top 8, he/she is not top 8".

Why think that like? That makes no sense at all. A tier list is based on MU numbers and tools for each character. Tourney placings shouldn't have such a key factor in making a list IMO.

Prime example. Let's look at Wonder Woman. She is without a doubt a top 5 character, yet she has almost no top 8 placings. Now let's look at GA. He's not a top 10 character, yet he's been nearly every top 8 for IGAU majors. Get my point?

If placings really did matter about making a tier list, then the top characters would be Superman, Aquaman, Black Adam, Sinestro and GA. Does that seem like a legit top 5 to you?

That's just been on my mind for a while, and TFC definitely added more influence on me to make this thread. Just wanted to get it out there and see if anyone else feels the same or different.

 

[Jer]

I read just the quotes and agree with you. This is how I felt in MK9 as well.

 

[RM_Gamer]

shut up

 

[xKhaoTik]

shut up

I love you too boo.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

One thing I CANNOT STAND about this community is the mentality on tier placements. The vibe you guys give me about tier placements is:

"If a character makes top 8 with, he/she is top 10. If a character doesn't make top 8, he/she is not top 8".

Why think that like? That makes no sense at all. A tier list is based on MU numbers and tools for each character. Tourney placings shouldn't have such a key factor in making a list IMO.

Prime example. Let's look at Wonder Woman. She is without a doubt a top 5 character, yet she has almost no top 8 placings. Now let's look at GA. He's not a top 10 character, yet he's been nearly every top 8 for IGAU majors. Get my point?

If placings really did matter about making a tier list, then the top characters would be Superman, Aquaman, Black Adam, Sinestro and GA. Does that seem like a legit top 5 to you?

That's just been on my mind for a while, TFC definitely added more influence on me to make this thread. Just wanted to get it out there and see if anyone else feels the same or different.

Because 90% of the community has never done anything to compete against another human being with their human being skills.
The people that "get it" have played a sport or done something IRL that actually involve competing with their own given abilities.

The problem with FG's is that the "abilities" change per character.... and we don't sign up as the single character for the entire match. You always have the ability to change..... therefore you always have the ability to make an excuse.

I like you more and more because the number of excuses i've heard from you are zero. Stay top tier.

 

[RunwayMafia]

What I don't understand is why some people in this community care so heavily about tier lists, MU numbers, blah blah blah etc., etc., etc.,

This is my M.O. = Pick one or two characters you LOVE and start practicing and get ready to compete your ass off!

 

[LEGEND]

i agree
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people looking at tournament placing rather than who someone had to beat to get to that point plus what character they used and what mus they had to deal with also bother me

saltface and 7L making top 8 with their respective characters is waaaay more impressive than KDZ winning with Superman

and tom getting blown up for losing two 5-5s to good players is just ridiculous

 

[Jack Slate]

You are absolutely correct with this assessment.

 

[Brooklyn Static S]

But can we all agree Bane is bottom 3? I love how until NRS teased the bane upgrades that he is getting now a lot ppl saying he didnt need the buffs and he is mid tier

 

[GamerBlake90]

xKhaoTik

Since this discussion is mainly going to concern what's been going on in the Injustice scene, I have relocated this thread to the Injustice section. Hope you're cool with it.

And you already know my thoughts on this subject.

 

[xKhaoTik]

But can we all agree Bane is bottom 3? I love how until NRS teased the bane upgrades that he is getting now everybody saying he didnt need the buffs.

Not everyone

 

[xKhaoTik]

xKhaoTik

Since this discussion is mainly going to concern what's been going on in the Injustice scene, I have relocated this thread to the Injustice section. Hope you're cool with it.

And you already know my thoughts on this subject.

No problem.

 

[Mr. Mileena]

You know one thing that bothers me, KHAOTIK.

Is you proposing to me last year and you go and cheat on me every tournament you go to.
Talk about pet peeves. #ThisGirlIsPissed

 

[GamerBlake90]

You know one thing that bothers me, KHAOTIK.

Is you proposing to me last year and you go and cheat on me every tournament you go to.
Talk about pet peeves. #ThisGirlIsPissed

Ooooh, someone's in TROUBLE.

 

[xKhaoTik]

You know one thing that bothers me, KHAOTIK.

Is you proposing to me last year and you go and cheat on me every tournament you go to.
Talk about pet peeves. #ThisGirlIsPissed

What?!?!?!?! Were you NOT on stream when bill stickers was hitting on me and I turned him down because I said I was married to YOU!?

 

[Mr. Mileena]

What?!?!?!?! Were you NOT on stream when bill stickers was hitting on me and I turned him down because I said I was married to YOU!?

#Revolver

nuff said lol

 

[xKhaoTik]

#Revolver

nuff said lol

No comment lol

 

[Doombawkz]

Ah the bait and it looks so tasty and smells like idiocy... But no, I have to be on a diet.

 

[AssassiN]

Been going on since MK9.
Do you know how many times I've read: "Skarlet ain't top 10 because no-one has gotten top 8 with her. If she was top 10 then top players would use her."

 

[Groove Heaven]

It pains me to say it, but this community can be very reactionary and histrionic.

I come from the Smash community, which is very smart and organized. They put so much work into their tier lists. They evaluate tournament placings, but in the scope of that character's populary, and that's just a small part of it. MUs, tools, frame data, and how stages affect them are all factored into their placings.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Been going on since MK9.
Do you know how many times I've read: "Skarlet ain't top 10 because no-one has gotten top 8 with her. If she was top 10 then top players would use her."

Fucking stupid.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

History repeating itself with this community. It's sickening.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Khaotik, I agree.. But I think there also has to be some defense against "Theoretical Matchups". Like when people sit at home and say one character beats another 7-3, or X character is Y tier, because of tools and abilities; but then every time those characters play at a high level the evidence suggests otherwise.

Seems like the truth is somewhere in the middle between theory and results.

 

[Cossner]

Khaotik, I agree.. But I think there also has to be some defense against "Theoretical Matchups". Like when people sit at home and say one character beats another 7-3, or X character is Y tier, because of tools and abilities; but then every time those characters play at a high level the evidence suggests otherwise.

Seems like the truth is somewhere in the middle between theory and results.

Really? Really? Really CrimsonShadow?

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Khaotik, I agree.. But I think there also has to be some defense against "Theoretical Matchups". Like when people sit at home and say one character beats another 7-3, or X character is Y tier, because of tools and abilities; but then every time those characters play at a high level the evidence suggests otherwise.

Seems like the truth is somewhere in the middle between theory and results.

don't be the kid who gets a trophy for just being on the team.