Why are people discussing the topic over 7 pages and after that people who complain about throws still don't know how they work and use arguments that aren't based in reality?
Or you can actually read and realize the conversation has turned to the property of throws during ONLINE MATCHES and not in practice mode.
This is a bad take imo. For tons of people online is the only environment in which they experience the game. There's nothing wrong with people wanting the game to play well in the environment where they play the game. There's even tons of online tournaments and offline rankings and stuff that ties to online. And it's not just about abusing lag either - some mechanics fair worse than others in online environments and that's at least partially a problem with the mechanic.
Oops, yes, you're right. I have no idea what I was thinking with that math. However, online delay is a minimum of 4 frames, correct? Tack on 1-3 frames of monitor delay and we're at 5 frames, best case scenario. And assuming you're not a robot, you're going to have 1-5 frames of reaction delay. So, again, best case scenario is around 6 frames of delay. Which is where I think a lot of the frustration with online throws eating moves is coming from. It's creating an environment where throws feel like they are out-prioritizing everything, and where the window to tech is only a couple of frames. Against characters that can safely be neutral-crouched, it's not a huge deal, just don't participate in the throw system at all. But against characters that get 25%+ with their 9-frame mid, low, or overhead starters, it's just a hellish experience that feels borderline unavoidable.
Building on what you just said, the problem is not "Throws are overpowered and need a nerf" but "Netcode needs an improvement cause the game is not what it's supposed to be online". And I will say it again : if you think that throws are too strong because you can't tech in time (your reactions are too slow) or because of the nature of the 50/50 1 2 (it's called mind game and it's the basis of fighting games), YES, go to the lab, practice and GET GOOD ! Hell, MK11 has a very good practice mode. USE IT.
Unfortunately a bad online play will dog a game forever, really. Even right now the game is encouraging people to play Kombat League if they want to get goodies. And Kombat League has the triple whammy of limited variations, cord pullers, and bad online.
I actually think normals outpriotitize throws. Its extremely hard to test though due to input buffer favoring the defender. Blocked d1 from raiden (-3) then throw (i10) loses to a Liu Kang F3 (i13) even though they should hit on the same frame from my testing.
I think this may have been one of the first developer tags I've ever seen (My own included in the past) where I think it is 100% warranted.
wrong tester to tag. she'll never come on here again according to her twitter.
You say this like it's inherently bad but I don't think it is. The meta doesn't have to be staggergrab staggergrab like it is now, if they adjust and increase the recovery of a few moves on each character in addition to adjusting frames on pokes then we can have a game that's about poking and punishing/whiff punishing high-risk high-reward moves instead of perpetual safety followed by 50/50 grabs.
I think you're supposed to mash D2.
well played NRS
Yeah but in MK11 I take 14% for guessing wrong and in MKX I take 33% and have to hold setplayMKX: guess OH / LOW
MK11: guess MID / THROW, if you decide to play safe block then and guess the Forward / back THROW
Exactly. It boggles my mind that people would rather have to guess on being full comboed into additional pressure than take a throw and reset.
Why are these the only two options though.
How the fuck does Johnny fit, he has like 0 oki on throws lul cause he send mofos flying across the screen
No meaning, people would prefer having to guess on a 50/50 ->full combo from plus frames of cancels in a previous game vs. guessing on a throw in this one.
Well yeah that's silly, but I don't know why we have to have such a dominant guess-based mechanic at all. Strike/throw mixups are all well and good but there's other games that do them better, Tekken has throw tech windows like twice as long as MK's, not to mention that in T7 throws can be broken with a universal input besides command throws.