21 xx smoke bomb leads to a juggle...that's not a full combo...? I'm sorry, but what makes anything after 3d12 a full combo, but not 21 xx smoke bomb? Nothing really.
The damage does... it doesn't do the same damage as a full punish combo, which if you look at what I said, was the whole point.
Invisibility is really not ass. Nah, he doesn't get damage boost from the EX one, but a move that makes your character harder to see, regardless, is not a bad move at all.
The problem isn't that it doesn't provide a benefit. The problem is that at the times where you can do it without getting punished, you always have better, less risky options. One of smoke's major strengths is his oki, and trading that for invis isn't at all worth it.
I've been experimenting with doing it after a normal throw since you can't do much in terms of oki off of that anyway, but it rarely gets me any advantage. Having invisibility at full screen just isn't helpful. You're gonna have to block somethign before you get in.
I'm not trying to revolutionize the character...just, like I said, people really don't know their characters. I mentioned a combo Smoke could use for punishment and that no one is using invisibility. No one has really tapped this character...not Aris, not MarkMan, not whoever uses Smoke. And the same goes for a lot of other characters.
You provided a basic punishment combo that people 1.) already knew about (check earlier in this thread), and 2.) is only useful against a small handful of moves. You also said 'hey, try this move because I haven't seen people use it.' That doesn't mean we don't know about the character. It means that you haven't really thought hard about actually trying to use invisibility as part of his game. If you find a concrete way to make it work, I'd love to hear it. As it stands, all you're saying is that we don't know our character because we don't use a move that's frankly pretty ass compared to smoke's other options in any given situation. Very weak case.
Look, I know you're a great and talented player. I respect you. However, that doesn't give you the right to walk in, tell everyone that no one knows how to play a character, and then walk away without contributing anything. If you have techniques with smoke that you want to share, we're all ears. I'll be eagerly awaiting when you do that. Until then, easy on the vindication, because it really discredits you.