Damn, that's really disappointing to hear both his shoulder rush AND EX shoulder being unsafe. I'm curious to know which variation of Liu Kang you found to be best zoning wise, or did you mean just in general?3 or 4 at best. Kano, Liu Kang, and Kenshi.
Shinnok would be the 4th but only in one variation. His zoning tools are relatively safe and strong, but I worry with him against the anti-zoning tools of the game. He has one low and no overheads as starters. Shoulder and EX Shoulder is unsafe on block, Skulls can be blown up by a teleport combos on block (tested against Scorpions's teleport), among other things. He isn't all bad, and has some strengths, but I don't feel he's as good a zoner as the other 3. Especially taking his other two variations into account. It would be all Necromancer for zoning.
For some reason, I always forget her. That MK9 salt is still real. My friend co-main's Kitana so mentally I was think of her as "not playing her" since I have to play her 200 times a week minimum lol.
Didn't you say that you found nothing of worth with him so far?
I guess someone said that his whips are generally something like -30. Sounds like at that distance people will be getting punishes on him.
Because we have you for that.
What's the point of giving them to him then? Eh, i'll make it work.
I was strongly considering main'ing him all up until yesterday. Don't get me wrong, I think he'll be amazing, Top 10 character easy, but I'm not sure if he's for me. With the tools characters
Play up close against characters who have safe 50/50 mix ups and armored special moves?
i said i didnt find knockdown Setups with orbs. he still is a good zoner and orbs are strong screen control.
So the fireballs he gets in Tigrar are bad?
I haven't used my preorder code until Tuesday because I'm afraid my account will be banned or something lol. So I don't know the properties of his fire moves but I can assure you Goro isn't going to be a zoner. It just gives him some options to using the tools in MU's.
Whichever one Ketchup played with the Bat definitely can, we saw bits of it from ketchup but he was just playing way to nervous & unsafe. He was doing very successful zoning when he was backing up, playing patient, mixing up between Runes & Puggles.
And that why a lot of people hate zoning in general. This post makes it seem as if Zoners go in with the mindset of spamming a couple of attacks and not actually thinking during gameplay. Also no offense to the poster just happen to see your post and felt like sharing my thoughts
He definitely is. For sure.
How are "set players" any different with their 50/50 mix ups?
And how bitching about "setplay" is any different than bitching about anything else?
I am not bitching about anything. Keep the safe 50/50 mix ups. Just give me the tools to keep my opponents away before they have a chance to take advantage of them. But most set players want an easy way to get in and have access to safe 505/0 mix ups.And how bitching about "setplay" is any different than bitching about anything else?
Careful Dave, it's day -2.
They are actually thinking during gameplay, they're thinking "do another projectile, do it again, one more time, oh shit he got close run away! projectile, projectile, wtf he got in on me?! this characters entire community lacks fundamentals"
Actual zoner mindset
