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Death can I please get u to correct your Canadian breathern Zaf ?Sonya could beat smoke 7-3. Probably one of my favourite mus in mk9
Read his nonsense above
Death can I please get u to correct your Canadian breathern Zaf ?Sonya could beat smoke 7-3. Probably one of my favourite mus in mk9
MUs are not determined by playing those people is what I think WoundCowboy is trying to sayI've never said ermac beats kenshi.
I've always known and said that ermac loses kenshi. So this is irrelevant.
I've played smoke with matterovermind very recently.
His smoke is one of the best I have played and he did not take 1 game off me last time we played.
Would be cool if you came in here matt and explained how I played.
I've also played with jer a lot. He picked up smoke.
Jer tells me it is 6-4 for ermac or 5-5.
Some days when we played, I won more games. Some other days Jer blew me up. But that is really nothing to do with the MU itself.
There are days when Jer gets in my head and he just beats me more. There are days when I do the same. This happens when you play Mus with your training partner. However, even setting aside who wins more, we both can sit back for a moment and can tell which character has to work for the win. If he is outplaying me, that is just it. I'm being out played. Smoke is not winning, ermac is not losing. Jer is beating me.
I can agree with a 5-5 as well, I can sway that way. It does feel even for the most part.
Only reason I would say it is in ermac favour is because I personally feel smoke has to work more then ermac.
Yes smoke has resets, but he has to touch ermac first.
I was going very much even with ac1986 and lulzlou at SJ.
Not every Mu will be set in stone. Especially if you keep playing the game and discovering more.
Woa woa woasmoke losing to ermac? I can't agree with that at all.
Smoke wins it.
I just had to comment on that. No matter how many times the matchup is played. Smoke wins he ALWAYS wins vs ermac!!Woa woa woa
Who r u?
Not like u won Evo or anything...............oh wait nvm
How does matovermind not count? He has made top 8 at every Canadian major he attended as far as I am aware.MUs are not determined by playing those people is what I think WoundCowboy is trying to say
THIS just in Kenshi vs Lao is 7-3 Kenshi because I blew up skillful chris, shanxter , mk legend and jwong Kung Lao
Would you be able to tell me why you think this?smoke losing to ermac? I can't agree with that at all.
Smoke wins it.
I hate explaining matchups but whatever I still know a lot about MK. I still play it at a high lvl with my bro. I know a lot of characters.How does matovermind not count? He has made top 8 at every Canadian major he attended as far as I am aware.
jer doesn't count either???
No need to be sarcastic, the first comment was enough to explain wound's reasoning.
Would you be able to tell me why you think this?
Ok, I need to be sold on this bill of goods that Smoke really has any 3-7 MU's. Here's how I see both Cyrax and Smoke, in a nutshell, in MK9.You got 2/2 of those MU numbers incorrect.
Kabal, Sonya, and Kung Lao 7-3 Smoke. I have never had it any other way. These 3 characters are Smoke's issues in MK9.
I used to be completely in the court of Smoke beating Cyrax, but he loses 6-4. Smoke has incredible tools against some of Cryax's options, but they are honestly options that Cyrax players don't even need to use in this MU. Cyrax rushdown and pressure are awesome in this MU. It is either 6-4 Rax or a 5-5.
I hate explaining matchups but whatever I still know a lot about MK. I still play it at a high lvl with my bro. I know a lot of characters.
This is a bad matchup for ermac but not that bad. Lets see force push is good but ermac can't trade with smoke. Its always a better trade for smoke.
Ermac just trying to be lame and block just wont get you the win.
Smoke is building more meter. He has b2, d4,d3, he can grab. Just because smoke has no chip, doesn't mean ermac wins it.
Smoke can slowly walk him down and corner ermac. Just blocking smoke bombs just doesn't seem like it will work at highest lvl.
Can smoke punish force push with tele? probably not.
Smoke holds the life lead better than ermac in my opinion.
Smoke has better footsies than mac in my opinion.
Smoke has better AA options than ermac.
Ermac has to be a lot more riskier to beat smoke in my opinion.
Nothing against any smoke player in Canada. But I think you need to play wafflez extensively to see why the matchup is in smoke's favor.
But yeah smoke wins it 6-4.
6-4 is really close because at the highest lvl it seems like a 5-5
Throws work when smoke is in that range.once smoke gets in dash up d4/b2 range, or d4 range, what does ermac do? @gga, our ermac players just throw the shit outta u. idk how canada does it
Ermac wont be using projectiles at all in this MU, so trades are even. TKP vs a sb on trade does not grant Smoke a combo when Ermac is at max TKP range, IIRC. True, Smoke builds meter faster than Ermac when in full screen, but Ermac can also use iAB's to build meter safely as well, if the Smoke player starts spamming sb's. Ermac's d3,d4 and especially instant air-blast really helps him against Smoke at sweep range. Up close Smoke wins hands down. Now, if he could punish a blocked sb with a full combo, when up close that would be a different story, but he cant unfortunately. Every special Smoke uses is beaten by TKP on reaction, except his teleport punch. And if Ermac blocks his teleport punch, even once, 47% of his life is gone, meterless. Ermac can play lame against Smoke, if he gets the life lead, he just have to be careful with his TKP spacing. If he does manage that, Smoke has no other choice but to come in his face.I hate explaining matchups but whatever I still know a lot about MK. I still play it at a high lvl with my bro. I know a lot of characters.
This is a bad matchup for ermac but not that bad. Lets see force push is good but ermac can't trade with smoke. Its always a better trade for smoke.
Ermac just trying to be lame and block just wont get you the win.
Smoke is building more meter. He has b2, d4,d3, he can grab. Just because smoke has no chip, doesn't mean ermac wins it.
Smoke can slowly walk him down and corner ermac. Just blocking smoke bombs just doesn't seem like it will work at highest lvl.
Can smoke punish force push with tele? probably not.
Smoke holds the life lead better than ermac in my opinion.
Smoke has better footsies than mac in my opinion.
Smoke has better AA options than ermac.
Ermac has to be a lot more riskier to beat smoke in my opinion.
Nothing against any smoke player in Canada. But I think you need to play wafflez extensively to see why the matchup is in smoke's favor.
But yeah smoke wins it 6-4.
6-4 is really close because at the highest lvl it seems like a 5-5
Do I even have to say this ?????How does matovermind not count? He has made top 8 at every Canadian major he attended as far as I am aware.
jer doesn't count either???
No need to be sarcastic, the first comment was enough to explain wound's reasoning.
Would you be able to tell me why you think this?
OK, this officially confirms this MU to be 7-3 if Downplay-Death is saying it is. Hold dat MK Community.Sonya could beat smoke 7-3. Probably one of my favourite mus in mk9
The players Zaf mentions do come to USA Majors and all the events i listed, they're some of the greatest USA scene/tourney supporters because they're determination to do well and love for the game however from my recollection Jer placed top 8 at 2012 wb and thats been the only top 8 placing from a Canadian playerso basically "come here and prove it" because its murrica, even though you dont know whether the person youre talking to has any previous fg experience or how he plays.
that did turn out pretty sour when that dude with the broken head and the bags of tea eliminated reo and got 13th at evo
ermac-smoke is dead even the way i see it
only # i disagree w is skarletSince all of a sudden Smoke MU discussion is all the rage, here is my chart as a refresher course in the Smoke MU world.
6-4 vs Baraka
6-4 vs Cyber Sub-Zero (This MU is weird and uncomfortable but is still advantage Smoke)
5-5 vs Cyrax (Human and Robot; on the edge of 5-5/4-6)
6-4 vs Ermac
6-4 vs Freddy Krueger (on the edge of 7-3/6-4)
7-3 vs Jade
4-6 vs Jax (on the edge of 4-6/5-5)
4-6 vs Johnny Cage
3-7 vs Kabal (Smoke's worst MU)
7-3 vs Kano
5-5 vs Kenshi
6-4 vs Kitana
3-7 vs Kung Lao
5-5 vs Liu Kang
6-4 vs Mileena
6-4 vs Nightwolf
6-4 vs Noob Saibot (on the edge of 7-3/6-4)
6-4 vs Quan Chi (on the edge of 7-3/6-4)
5-5 vs Raiden
6-4 vs Rain
5-5 vs Reptile
6-4 vs Scorpion
6-4 vs Sektor
7-3 vs Shang Tsung (on the edge of 7-3/6-4)
7-3 vs Sheeva
7-3 vs Sindel
5-5 vs Skarlet
5-5 vs Smoke
3-7 vs Sonya Blade (on the edge of 3-7/4-6)
6-4 vs Stryker
6-4 vs Sub-Zero