General/Other - Ronin Ronin General Discussion Thread

[omooba]

what game did you play until today?

lol i thought they took out all pseudo infinites
can someone please make a thread explicitly stating this

 

[Tweedy]

yes +4 and +8 respectively off f122+4 If I m not mistaken

He's +2 when dropping it off of B21 2+4 and F12 2+4/F1 2+4. +7 or +8 when picking it up off of F12 2+4/F1 2+4.

Mod Edit: Don't insult other members.

 

[Tweedy]

if it's plus 4 and plus 8 the only poke that'll beat it is 6 frames i believe

so what you guys are telling me is if i don't have a 6 frame poke and i don't have meter i'm in an infinite block loop? seriously?

F1 is 12 frames and he's +2 so no. It is super rough, though. Tempest without the need to use meter.

 

[omooba]

F1 is 12 frames and he's +2 so no. It is super rough, though. Tempest without the need to use meter.

are u sure it's plus 2 not plus 4

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

are u sure it's plus 2 not plus 4

my bad lol I didn t remember it correctly he doesn t jail u can backdash or armor or even in some cases use some normals unless he s picking up the blade

 

[Invincible Salads]

question, i've seen hayatei do b2~sword toss on block.....why? isnt that really unsafe?

what are the plus frames off the last and 2nd to last hit of f12 2+4? their different for each hit correct?

 

[Tweedy]

question, i've seen hayatei do b2~sword toss on block.....why? isnt that really unsafe?

what are the plus frames off the last and 2nd to last hit of f12 2+4? their different for each hit correct?

Nah, B2 is like barely minus or neutral if you cancel it into blade drop. B21 is around -9 or -10. Maybe he does it because he's unsure if he'll be able to confirm B21 2+4, because of a suspected jump or whiff. I've seen him catch jumps with B2 into drop and EX kall. When people jump it can mess up B21 2+4, because the low will whiff.

They're probably the same. There's never a point in stopping at the 2nd to last hit, on block, though.

 

[Tweedy]

are u sure it's plus 2 not plus 4

They're +2. @KHTC Takgillo is a stoner with multiple offenses.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

question, i've seen hayatei do b2~sword toss on block.....why? isnt that really unsafe?

what are the plus frames off the last and 2nd to last hit of f12 2+4? their different for each hit correct?

B2 is unsafe upclose but at range it is safe he is doing b2 into blade drop to avoid the recovery b21 and b212+4 have if any of the move doesn t hit

 

[Tweedy]

Yo, did I get an infraction earlier in this thread for insulting Takgillo? LOL

Me and Tak have been buds for forever and we mess with each other all the time. lolololol

@KHTC Takgillo @Youphemism

Tongue in cheek boys.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Yo, did I get an infraction earlier in this thread for insulting Takgillo? LOL

Me and Tak have been buds for forever and we mess with each other all the time. lolololol

@KHTC Takgillo @Youphemism

Tongue in cheek boys.

Haha this is what you get for defying me

 

[Youphemism]

Yo, did I get an infraction earlier in this thread for insulting Takgillo? LOL

Me and Tak have been buds for forever and we mess with each other all the time. lolololol

@KHTC Takgillo @Youphemism

Tongue in cheek boys.

Wasn't me but I know who it was and I thought what you were infracted for was funny, I realised you weren't being serious. I'll talk to him about it, I'll probably end up removing it once it's sorted out.

 

[Tweedy]

Wasn't me but I know who it was and I thought what you were infracted for was funny, I realised you weren't being serious. I'll talk to him about it, I'll probably end up removing it once it's sorted out.

You were the first mod that crossed my mind so I tagged you. Wasn't trying to blame you Lord Youph.

 

[Tweedy]

B2 is unsafe upclose but at range it is safe he is doing b2 into blade drop to avoid the recovery b21 and b212+4 have if any of the move doesn t hit

Do you really feel like B2 blade drop is unsafe? It feels barely minus to me. Maybe neutral on block. I'm sure Lord Hayatei will clarify at some point.

Edit: Whoa my posts are getting edited now.

Lol you don't want to know what was in this before I edited again you sexy little fishnet-wearing minx.

TYM WHAT IS GOING ON

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

Do you really feel like B2 blade drop is unsafe? It feels barely minus to me. Maybe neutral on block. I'm sure Lord Hayatei will clarify at some point.

Edit: Whoa my posts are getting edited now.

Lol you don't want to know what was in this before I edited again.

TYM WHAT IS GOING ON

It s unsafe upclose Take mileena put her on roll reversal and do it. U ll get punished If you are too close to her

 

[Invincible Salads]

alright, and i what are the exact plus frames on f12 2+4 call back?

also, how come i never see anyone do f12 2+4 ~ex blade call as a 50/50. Since the last hit is overhead couldnt you make them guess between the 2? wheather the blade call is coming first or the overhead?

 

[Tweedy]

alright, and i what are the exact plus frames on f12 2+4 call back?

also, how come i never see anyone do f12 2+4 ~ex blade call as a 50/50. Since the last hit is overhead couldnt you make them guess between the 2? wheather the blade call is coming first or the overhead?

+7 or +8, if you're talking about quick call. Normal kall back is either -9 or -13. It says -5 but it's not that, because you'd have to block all three hits, which isn't possible for any character when crouch blocking. If they block one hit you're -13, which is what normally happens.

You can fuzzy that low to overhead. It's still good to throw in there once they're conditioned, like scoop after F41 with Boneshaper.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

+7 or +8, if you're talking about quick call. Normal kall back is either -9 or -13. It says -5 but it's not that, because you'd have to block all three hits, which isn't possible for any character when crouch blocking. If they block one hit you're -13, which is what normally happens.

You can fuzzy that low to overhead. It's still good to throw in there once they're conditioned, like scoop after F41 with Boneshaper.

I think they fixed the multiple hitting thing on block with XL it only hit once on block now and it s listed as -13 not -5

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

alright, and i what are the exact plus frames on f12 2+4 call back?

also, how come i never see anyone do f12 2+4 ~ex blade call as a 50/50. Since the last hit is overhead couldnt you make them guess between the 2? wheather the blade call is coming first or the overhead?

all of Takeda f12 2+4 gimmicks in all his variations are reactable which is why it s often not a good idea to try to use it as a 50/50

 

[Tweedy]

all of Takeda f12 2+4 gimmicks in all his variations are reactable which is why it s often not a good idea to try to use it as a 50/50

I wouldn't say the Ronin one is reactable. It's just easy to fuzzy. That's better than reactable, because you can condition someone by not doing low 10 times, then do it. It works.

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

I m looking at the frame data right now blade call is listed as -13 on block

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

I wouldn't say the Ronin one is reactable. It's just easy to fuzzy. That's better than reactable, because you can condition someone by not doing low 10 times, then do it. It works.

the overhead is reactable in f122+4 you react to the overhead not the low

 

[omooba]

can someone here help me practice the takeda match up. lost to 3 random takeda's in a row on ranked

 

[KHTC Takgillo]

can someone here help me practice the takeda match up. lost to 3 random takeda's in a row on ranked

Who do you use and against which variation do you have problems

 

[Invincible Salads]

the overhead is reactable in f122+4 you react to the overhead not the low

alright, but its one of those gimmicky things that might work once? xD