Then make f112's second hit overhead then she has two mixup based strings. I get she's zone heavy and I like that about her but gimping her offensive capabilities does not equate to balance.
F2 isn't a very good starter for anything anyways. I usually just ignore that attack
I do too but I believe in fair, if I ever ask for buffs I try to be reasonable with what I'm asking in the whole scope of things. F2 is not a good starter at all I totally agree but it being an overhead gives it a purpose. It's up to the player to use it properly.
I would love a mid fan. If she had a mid fan then she'd have reason to be lacking in other areas.
Thank God you said this because I saw your post on the previous page saying the OH would be "dumb" and I was ready to come in here and serve you some sass.
Yes this.
If she had her low fan poke like in MK9 that would be pretty cool.Thank God you said this because I saw your post on the previous page saying the OH would be "dumb" and I was ready to come in here and serve you some sass.
From day 1, Wild and I have been saying F2 looks as though and should function as an OH. However the reach is deceptively short and it's too slow. If they were to speed it up, give it longer range and make it an OH...BAM, she would be able to play footsies and start whiff punishing pokes etc, etc, like the majority of the cast.
Yes this.
People need to stop saying that if she were to get an OH or a low STARTER, she'd suddenly become this beast of mix up character or full on rushdown. Lol, she will never be Cassie or Erron and that's totally fine nor what we want or need.
Look at Cibernetic Kano (whom I think is a fantastically designed character), he has a fast mid hitting projectile, safe strings for defense, some nice mids, and a low starter that he can stagger. Yet no one considers HIM rushdown. He is a perfectly balanced zoner. The reason people think Kitana's zoning is good is due to her ability to convert off of an air fan.
If we were to get mid hitting fans I think the balance for exchange would be to take a damage nerf to air fan coversions, which would be acceptable IMO.
Or...
Give her SAFETY and some range, the ability to stagger, and give her that F2 OH for some whiff punishing. I mean...her ground game is so damn lacking that her zoning just doesn't cut it. Cassie's B1 is the best whiff punishing normal in the game, she needs something similar.
I knew someone had to get what I was saying lolThank God you said this because I saw your post on the previous page saying the OH would be "dumb" and I was ready to come in here and serve you some sass.
From day 1, Wild and I have been saying F2 looks as though and should function as an OH. However the reach is deceptively short and it's too slow. If they were to speed it up, give it longer range and make it an OH...BAM, she would be able to play footsies and start whiff punishing pokes etc, etc, like the majority of the cast.
Yes this.
People need to stop saying that if she were to get an OH or a low STARTER, she'd suddenly become this beast of mix up character or full on rushdown. Lol, she will never be Cassie or Erron and that's totally fine nor what we want or need.
Look at Cibernetic Kano (whom I think is a fantastically designed character), he has a fast mid hitting projectile, safe strings for defense, some nice mids, and a low starter that he can stagger. Yet no one considers HIM rushdown. He is a perfectly balanced zoner. The reason people think Kitana's zoning is good is due to her ability to convert off of an air fan.
If we were to get mid hitting fans I think the balance for exchange would be to take a damage nerf to air fan coversions, which would be acceptable IMO.
Or...
Give her SAFETY and some range, the ability to stagger, and give her that F2 OH for some whiff punishing. I mean...her ground game is so damn lacking that her zoning just doesn't cut it. Cassie's B1 is the best whiff punishing normal in the game, she needs something similar.
Oh man...that just gave me mk9 ptsd. That would be amazing.
Making fans -5 on block or -6 would make f112 fan safe which would be awesome
Her 1 is a 7F unless there was some crazy patch I didn't see
The frame data was updated. it's actually 8 frames.
Yeah I just checked that and was about to edit my post. I also see throws are now 10 frames. What was the point of updating the frame data or was it just incorrect to begin with?
It was incorrect to begin with. Expect more things to change as patches continue to roll in.
I find it funny that the frame data was wrong to begin with. It was that same frame data that I used to come up with the infinite and almost a day and half later I find out all that data was wrong anyways lol
Not at my PS4 right now but I think b4 can get full combo punished, whenever I whiff a b4 my brother sometimes gets his 42% BnB with D'Vorah if I'm close enough. I'm probably mistaken here though.
