Question - Summoner Is Quan Chi in reality a mid tier character?

[Dankster Morgan]

Tell me how a character with one of the best backdashes in the game (if not THE best) has no defensive options?

GTFO

But dat kenshi backdash

 

[PND_Ketchup]

Quan is S tier because he is without a shadow of a doubt one of the most complete characters in the whole game.

We are still in a current state where Summoner is the only thought of version of Quan when this character is brought up, yet we never stop to think about what his other variations also do for him.

Summoner and Sorceror do not need explaining, they are both clearly amazing characters with one severe weakness.

Warlock covers that weakness almost completely. In a matchup Quan needs to have a more defensive element, he has Warlock to go for which still has great damage (47% for one bar if you land a full combo into MB stab/grab), his 50/50s remain unchanged on block, but he gets the option to completely guarantee a 50/50 with portal stab, counter zoning to cover matchups like Kitana and a reversal to cover any matchup he needs that threat.

Let's not forget that pre patch Warlock's reversal still didn't do a whole lot for him as it was easy to armour break, but now it's a bloody 11 frame armoured launcher that leads to around 35% damage on hit. It's literally a Kung Lao MB spin damage wise.

Quan players are still just looking for side characters for reversals rather than grind out warlock instead. I'm guilty of that myself, but I haven't had any tournaments to prepare for that called for exploring warlock more. Warlock arguably has every answer that the other variations need for certain MU's, it's just not being used yet for some reason.

Warlock, Sorcerer and Summoner together cover every Matchup in the whole game, that is why he isn't remotely mid tier.

 

[The chosen puddle]

 

[Brack1sh]

Thank you based Dave

 

[M2Dave]

I was going to make a post similar to this, but I'll try to keep it short and sweet since I'm just reiterating your point.

Quan Chi's defensive options in summoner are often cited as his weakness to prevent him from being top X (1, 3, 5, etc) in the game.

This does not factor in how Quan Chi's offensive can be done to ignore the opponents defensive options, making them equal to Quan Chi himself. Meaning they must block.

However Summoner Quan Chi has the best offense in the game. This turns the match into the best offense in the game (summoner) vs no defensive options but blocking ridiculious mixups (opponent). When the opponent is on offense, it turns into NOT the best offense in the game vs no defensive options but blocking, mostly.

Summoner turns every match into an arms race of offense in which he is the best at.

If he possibly loses a match it'd have to do with some sort of neutral game problem. But his neutral game is strong in many matches due to his powerful zoning, great jump attacks and long range overhead.

A very predictable analysis from a rush down fool's perspective.

A top tier character's corner offense is superior to Quan Chi's vortex. In the corner, Quan Chi has to guess between pressure strings, staggered pressure strings, overhead attacks, low attacks, and throws, all of which lead to more offense. Watch Foxy versus Mike as the most recent example, even though other characters have even better offense on Quan Chi than Kung Lao.

The reason you rush down fools keep making the claim that Quan Chi is so broken is because each night before you go to bed you pray to Paolo Garcia that he is normalized. Why will none of you have some decency for once and make this admission?

 

[DelSchokoladenSaft]

But dat kenshi backdash

Dat Goro Backdash.

 

[TamedLizard]

Like any other character in the game, Quan does have weaknesses, but imo the pros still far outweigh the cons.

He's still top tier. The zoning, footsies, and njp alone are enough to make people think twice when rushing Quan down before he's been knocked down.

 

[Dankster Morgan]

Dat Goro Backdash.

I can only get so erect

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Quan Chi... Mid Tier? 1 of hes variations (Summoner) has pseudo unblockables. Nop hes top 3 easy.

 

[Dinosaur]

top 3 bby

 

[xZoro]

Dave calling Dizzy a Fool.
Mom get the camera.

Lets be real dave, since dairou isnt in this game, and it isn't 3-D, you're not relevent. Let alone remotely entertaining.

 

[StevoSuprem0]

Yeah man... he's....abysmal.

 

[JesterSMX]

His backdash, njp, and pokes are extremely good. Block right and poke out.

Think about how many correct guesses it takes for you to beat quan vs how many wrong guesses it takes to be beaten by quan?

Unbeatable... No
S tier... Yes

 

[ForeverKing]

I disagree it's hard for him to get his offense going. Usually by the time he does the opponent has access to a breaker or armour limiting his options. He's #6 on my personal tier list.

He has one of the best jump ins in the game, Quan's J1 has godlike range. Plus with runes & full screen trance, its not that hard to get your opponent into the vortex.

Not to mention the godlike backdash, I can't tell you how many times I've backdashed something my opponent did (that would normally catch most backdashes) and whiff punished with B2

 

[ForeverKing]

You are certainly one of the most prevalent individuals with a forceful anti-zoning agenda.

Besides, you used Quan Chi today and lost to REO's week one Tremor.

Im just honest.

Just because Quan is the best character in the game doesn't mean he has 0 5-5 matchups, he has a few 5-5's here and there and Tremor might be one of them.

Also I don't know much about the Tremor vs Quan, I highly doubt me vs Reo today was anywhere near the highest level of play that matchup can be

 

[Haou Shoukou Ken]

After seeing this thread and the pre patch tremor is abysmal thread, its safe to assume m2dave is either not exactly a bright individual or just a clown here for our entertainment. Either way i enjoy the good laughs, carry on mario.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

He has one of the best jump ins in the game, Quan's J1 has godlike range. Plus with runes & full screen trance, its not that hard to get your opponent into the vortex.

Not to mention the godlike backdash, I can't tell you how many times I've backdashed something my opponent did (that would normally catch most backdashes) and whiff punished with B2

I love his backdash. its like the only defensive tool he has lol

 

[Compbros]

Why are we still using tournament results to evaluate how good a character is?

 

[Javierich0]

Is Dave getting paid for this or something?

Dink hacked his account

 

[Haou Shoukou Ken]

I disagree it's hard for him to get his offense going. Usually by the time he does the opponent has access to a breaker or armour limiting his options. He's #6 on my personal tier list.

Woundcowboy is that you?

 

[JesterSMX]

Why are we still using tournament results to evaluate how good a character is?

So Dave can feel better about not being good.

 

[STB Shujinkydink]

Woundcowboy is that you?

Thats probably the most offensive thing ive heard in my life lol

 

[Tigerbang]

Next up: Kung Lao is Bottom Tier............

 

[M2Dave]

Not to mention the godlike backdash, I can't tell you how many times I've backdashed something my opponent did (that would normally catch most backdashes) and whiff punished with B2.

How useful was that backdash versus Master D.'s Liu Kang? LOL.

Fool, stop spreading propaganda.

Why are we still using tournament results to evaluate how good a character is?

I discuss tournament results and theory in the first post.

 

[ForeverKing]

I'm so sick of Quans variations being lumped together for the sake of convenience..

Summoner is without a doubt S tier.

Sorcerer - A tier
Warlock - Mid

Done.

Well the tag of this thread does have "Summoner" in it.... So nobody is lumping the other variations with it lol.

In general whenever you hear people say "Kung Lao is top tier" you KNOW they aren't talking about Hat Trick or Buzzsaw, it's kind of just implied they're talking about Tempest. Same goes for when people make comments like "Quan is OP all these unbreakables and mixups" you basically know they're implying Summoner.