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Doesn't b12 catch jumping?
Doesn't b12 catch jumping?
Its not that it would kill the character its that it doesnt need changed to convience you
If you mean making it more negative on whif then no, it would not kill the character and it wouldn't change the way hes played. It would just mean we could no longer throw it out as freely against players who are too lazy/haven't gotten around to learning their options
How do you hold the kunai and press b12? Unless you mean b21.
It's not to make me happy, yes I made the post but I am not complaining about nor asking for it to be nerfed, as I stated in the main post. This thread is nothing more than a question with a purposed change.
There is no options when you WHIFF THE MOVE. That is the point I am trying to make.
i know what you meant but its not a free way in when you have the option to punish him before he touches the ground
They should also add some recovery frames on whiff to reptile. He is another character with no whiff recovery.
Use this example.
Fair enough buddy.
An acid spit in that situation would blow him up.
This is actually pretty fair in that situation
And? All that would happen in that interaction is both players would gain meter. As many players have stated, there are PLENTY of counters for any takeda getting too flow charty, hell you can see me doing it on stream at the last EGP Toasty Tuesdays, I was really nervous so I got to flow charty, and Nubcakes jip me on reaction and stuffed my tornado kick EVERY TIME. If I whiff it, awesome I can backdash to get positioning just how I like. But to get there is risky, not to mention it is pretty much my tool as a lasher player that is primarily used for adjusting my spacing and getting in, and even then it is really risky every time I do it. Making it really punishable on whiff would be a HUGE detriment to lasher while it would not really affect the other variations at all. It is the same as when they nerfed dragons fire and it killed dualist in the process. You are taking away my limited options with by limiting my already limited move even more. Lasher can definitely hold his own, he doesn't absolutely need tornado kick, however is it very helpful. Taking that away is needlessly making it harder on the lasher players, while not affecting the other variations at all.
I think you mean b21 but yes it does, however no one really uses it due to how inconsistent it is, since you need to press 1 in the b21 string VERY early so it makes it just an easily reactable high low situation and if they jump then won't get caught by the kunais so you are left with a short combo due to the intensified gravity from starting the combo when you jumped
But how is it a problem? He isn't damaging you, he is implementing mind games yes, but why does something that lands nowhere near you need to be punished? I use it for positioning purposes. Basically something that is an absolute necessity in lasher, what your are asking for is to literally make the move useless EXCEPT for on the hardest of reads. Why? Why can't it have other utility, the rest of takedas moves are death on whiff why does this one need to be death on whiff too?
I don t really see the problem with it If I am reacting to a mistake you it s on you not me. From what I can get you want to be at an advantage even after messing up is that right?
Yeah, I wasnt sure what the exact input it was, since I don;t play him. Well, I do realize its quite an input to execute, but I faced some people who could succefully do it, true sometimes they get punished for trying to go for it, but still it doesn't justify it. To me that's the only issue with Takeda, but for all I care , It can stay the way it is, hell even Quan Chi's hard to blockables were just fine by me, since I used to rape him when his turn was over. xD
I understand your point, fair enough but Shirai Ryu has good anti zoning by design and I don't think theres a good enough reason to take that away. I am a Takeda main though so naturally i'm biased AF
I only want to be at advantage because you didn't commit to the full length version. When you could of punished me in that particular situation.
To be honest I couldn't care less if the kunai hard to blockables were gone since they don't really benefit my variation very much, only Shirai ryu. But once someone suggests something they will fuck up my baby lasher, I'm not letting that slide because any nerfs, and he will no longer be good, any buffs, and he would be too good, lasher is in this nice little sweet spot of high mid tier.
Once again, the problem with this is that you are not nerfing the variation you want to nerf, you are nerfing the one that no one pays attention to, the under rated one. This nerf would be shrugged off by the other two variations, while lasher that would make his life WAY harder, and in your example, I would do that simply to get positioning, I trade damage for positioning as a punish, is that not fair? Hell I do this with my bnbs too, instead of damage I go with positioning.
Yeah, I understand, I symphatize with you, Dragon's Fire nerfs got Dualist even worse when the last patch came in, even though it got some compensation buffs, It still was quite a blow. I almost droped him.
Correct me if I'm wrong because I'm still learning to play against the character, but isn't the point of the mix-up that you need to make a read on whether he is going to pop it off the bat and block low, or go for the hard to blockable and jump out?
I think this is exactly it, and what people are missing. Yeah the safe ball doesn't make him OP or a top tier character and has little effect on balance for most of the cast. However, there is some members of the cast that it is just poor design against, you can't play any sort of zoning game against him because of it especially since he can use it while airborne. Plus, he already has a TP to get in in one variation, and a reflect to deal with zoning in another. It would make the character more cohesive and make gameplay a better design in some more niche match-ups, without really hurting the character very much competitively. I think this would be a great change for the sake of the game and making less aggressive, reactive playstyles somewhat more viable. Even if it's only punishable on whiff.
What characters who rely on zoning cant zone cause or the airball
