do me a favour and discuss b1 xx d4 after 212 and in general.Brady is probably coming to my house soon to get ready for NEC. Maybe we will do a Bradycast on all this stuff.
I see the mixup with B1 and then either cancel with 2(overhead) or D4(low) But its another one where I ask why? What if b1 hit but I had already decided to do D4? I lost my combo. Its like people who do 2,1 instead of 2,1,2 then they get all stupified when the 1 hits and they just D4 or D4>slide. Whereas if they had done 2,1,2 from the start its very easy to hit confirm into ice blast and get your damage. This is the danger with trying to play Subzero as a mixup character. Your just as likely to mixup yourself up as well as your opponent.do me a favour and discuss b1 xx d4 after 212 and in general.
even if you mash d4 you can still press 2 on a hit confirm and just continue along with your combo, you can also bait someone to interrupt your d4 but with a greater reward than an overall b12 blockstringI see the mixup with B1 and then either cancel with 2(overhead) or D4(low) But its another one where I ask why? What if b1 hit but I had already decided to do D4? I lost my combo. Its like people who do 2,1 instead of 2,1,2 then they get all stupified when the 1 hits and they just D4 or D4>slide. Whereas if they had done 2,1,2 from the start its very easy to hit confirm into ice blast and get your damage. This is the danger with trying to play Subzero as a mixup character. Your just as likely to mixup yourself up as well as your opponent.
if d4 is blocked you got the brady machinegun pressure or the denzel style d4 clone, you get 2% chip compared to 5% of the 212/214 and 16/18% of a bar compared to 26% of 212 clone/214 clone.I see the mixup with B1 and then either cancel with 2(overhead) or D4(low) But its another one where I ask why? What if b1 hit but I had already decided to do D4? I lost my combo. Its like people who do 2,1 instead of 2,1,2 then they get all stupified when the 1 hits and they just D4 or D4>slide. Whereas if they had done 2,1,2 from the start its very easy to hit confirm into ice blast and get your damage. This is the danger with trying to play Subzero as a mixup character. Your just as likely to mixup yourself up as well as your opponent.
pretty sure b23 is not hitconfirmable, except for in the cornerThe difference is Smoke gets a huge payoff for making you block low. Plus B2,3>smoke bomb is hit confirmable and even on block its pretty safe. And on hit it can lead to 80% combos. Sub on the hand has a slow ass overhead thats totally unsafe and isnt hit confirmable so even after all this "conditioning" your opponent still might block it.
Im not saying I dont use D4 to do exactly this either. I think we all do. But after a hit b1,2,1 when we already have stupid advantage and a free meter building block string/throw mixup? It just doesnt seem like the time or place to do it to me.
And yet, after a B121 it's NOT acceptable to end up with THE SAME THING AS THIS in terms of what you can do and the chip/meter you get?if d4 is blocked you got the brady machinegun pressure or the denzel style d4 clone, you get 2% chip compared to 5% of the 212/214 and 16/18% of a bar compared to 26% of 212 clone/214 clone.
Well, that was a let down... you were supposed to blow up my posts. =/f4 is not a spacing tool....
f4 is the.... "you've been blocking my follow up in the duck state and i'm going to kill you for it" move.
F4~clone is pretty useless.
are you shitting me? its easy as hell to hit confirm...pretty sure b23 is not hitconfirmable, except for in the corner
oh, you mean other than the fact that b1 is full combo hit confirmable, its a legit mixup straight off the bat and it can bait punishable moves, doesnt lead to a very unsafe mixup and even on a bad mixup isnt punishable by combo of choice?And yet, after a B121 it's NOT acceptable to end up with THE SAME THING AS THIS in terms of what you can do and the chip/meter you get?
lol
Why dont all smoke players abuse b23...? they usually do b2 naked...are you shitting me? its easy as hell to hit confirm...
You can't hit confirm one hit man.oh, you mean other than the fact that b1 is full combo hit confirmable, its a legit mixup straight off the bat and it can bait punishable moves, doesnt lead to a very unsafe mixup and even on a bad mixup isnt punishable by combo of choice?
yep, totally the same thing
b2 is neutral and shows that the smoke player will punish any low block attempts thus allowing smokebro to abuse pokes, chip and throws.Why dont all smoke players abuse b23...? they usually do b2 naked...
b1, yes you can, long durationYou can't hit confirm one hit man.
F4 is a longer duration... yet you can't hit confirm it. So how it B1 hit confirmable?b1, yes you can, long duration
because theres a small window where you can input the freeze, with b1 you could be mashing d4 but still press 2 to hit confirm for full combo, try it in practice mode, do b1 and mash d4, you'll still get the 2 out.F4 is a longer duration... yet you can't hit confirm it. So how it B1 hit confirmable?
Good thing I use B1... just gotta learn to hitconfirm it, if that's true.
not to mention f4 lasts longer than 22 yet that is hit confirmable.F4 is a longer duration... yet you can't hit confirm it. So how it B1 hit confirmable?
Good thing I use B1... just gotta learn to hitconfirm it, if that's true.
Good stuff man.because theres a small window where you can input the freeze, with b1 you could be mashing d4 but still press 2 to hit confirm for full combo, try it in practice mode, do b1 and mash d4, you'll still get the 2 out.
only problem is that there are so many damn outcomes that i think its not that worth it.Good stuff man.
Here I was just doing B1 and going straight to D4 or doing B12 instead. lol
Sometimes we try to re-invent the wheel.Guys remember one thing, and I said it before, even if some of these things do have the potential to lead to something, when you try to play Subzero as a mixup character very often you just end up mixing up yourself and getting alot less damage because of it. Hes just not that type of character. In almost every situation youd be better off going for max damage/standard BnBs/best meter building option.