Didn't get the the chance to try it but will look into it when I get the opportunity
I wouldn't hate it, obviously, but I really don't think there's any chance of this. Probably because you could just loop them with f1,2+4 xx TK into continuous 50/50s after one combo. You would only need to spend meter if they block low.
See, this is why I would've liked for her to get a faster d3 in this patch. If her d1 had a bit more range this wouldn't be a big deal, but if what you're saying is true, then Roll is in fact the only option to make them respect frames. I get that it IS an option, and if no other buffs come for her this is what we will have to work with, but that is a potentially round changing risk.
Good question on the d3/d4. I'll have to lab that scenario as I haven't had anyone try to get out with that. Honestly, there's a good chance they can low-profile it that way. Haven't used Piercing in a while so I didn't realize that was a thing that happens.
Oh don't get me wrong, Roll is definitely a threat. It's the same situation as hitting a Low Sai up close. Roll makes them defend, but IF they defend, you get combed, or you spend 2 bars and all your stamina to break. Now if you already have a life lead and a ton of momentum, throw it out there. The guy I play the most offline blocks a TON, so maybe that's why opinions differ.
Haha my offline partner blocks infinitely as well. 21u4? Useless. f213? Useless. f21b4? Useless. The ONLY thing I can do is switch to Ravenous and get those psuedo-overheads (because he's so conditioned to block the mixups) or use low sai for the lows. I won't deny she can use a faster poke and it wouldn't break her at all. I mean, hell. Quan Chi gets the 6f d1 now. NONE of our pokes are anything great. I've noticed LESS whiffing on d1 since the patch though so that's a plus (but it's still out of range from b12).
Exactly. Granted, Quan Chi's d1 is technically unsafe, but still. I talked to @theGabStandard about this before, but I feel this game should have a set speed, recovery, and block/hit advantage for standard D1s/D3s. That way using pressure and escaping pressure becomes much more concrete, and you leave the outcome in the PLAYER'S hands. But I digress.
100% agree with this. Haven't played much with the new patch but with the little I've played I find B12 is decent. While it's great being plus and opens up potential stagger pressure, you still have to use roll as the main tool to stop people pressing buttons after. She could definitely use a fast low poke, especially if Quan can get one with the amount of crazy stuff he already has. Maybe I would be fine if she had better range with her low pokes like MK9 d4 but unfortunately that is not the case. Still Piercing seems fun and once I spend more time labbing and playing I can make a full conclusion about the variation
That combo is best for ethereal. 4u31+2 has huge advantage on hit, enough for you to run up and F1. I even break Kung Lao ex spin armor once with that setup in my life lol
haha maybe but dont think so, unless roll in only programmed to have the extreme gravity after 2nd one while hitting a airborn opponent only.
Lol, I trust NRS with a number of things. Programming string-specific gravity on Roll isn't one of them.
huh? wouldnt be string specific gravity at all, it would be to do with the roll
@ZeroEffect I think he's saying, like now if you do 2 rolls in the same combo they just drop before you can do anything anyway. If this string was special cancelable, the same thing would happen still.
That's what I understood it as. What you would get is a true vortex if you had meter if you end combos with F12+4 xx telekick
Haha, far from gamebreaking and far from SAFE! Unless you added some clever ideas in, it's not even hitconfirmable (outside of ethereal). Cancel window on 21 is just so tight.
