The Official MKXL Complain/Rant Thread

This thread is a few months too late

Ra Helios said:

Arghhh!!!

Have they ever heard of a game called Killer Instinct!!!!!?

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Didn't KI have to hire the creator of GGPO to optimize it just for that game though? Maybe it was SF though. Either way its not that simple and I'll explain why.
In the cases where major studios had to hire the GGPO creator to work with them to cut down on development hangup on learning to use his code optimally with their engine you run into something. If that guy is currently tied to anyone else's game development he may not have been up for hire to work on this due to non compete clauses or simply due to still being involved in working with them or others on their own products. They would have had to buy in and work on GGPO from scratch themselves and depending upon the engine its not always easy. I'm using Unity for my fighter and it codes in C# which GGPO is STILL not working for. Depending on what coding language their engine utilized it could have been a LOT of money and effort to use someone else's code and if that is the case it may just get broken in the translation process of trying to use it anyway...

Rage a little less is all I am saying. This is the business world we're talking about here. Its not just cut and dry and "it should say GGPO" because its not that simple. Its not a thing you tack on. The game has to be coded for it. Skullgirls was coded from scratch for it with its engine. KI as well. Its a big deal to use code outside of your development team's own code and it comes with a long winded learning curve everytime to optimize it.

GGPO isn't completely plug and play. Its something you have to learn how to develop for. The amount of time and effort needed to do this can hold up entire sections of game development and in the game development world delays on a game are critical and can ruin it. Deadline hell is grueling. Folks have been known to just live at the studios for weeks on end during them because no more money is coming and no more time is allowed...they either release a complete deal thats quality or get burned at the stake by every "angry game reviewer" that exists on forums, youtube and at magazines until their is no selling their product.

Mike Z did the netcode for KI and Skullgirls.

Also Iron Galaxy are in Chicago, I'm sure they'd visit NRS for a small retainer.

dookieagain said:

Mike Z did the netcode for KI and Skullgirls.

Also Iron Galaxy are in Chicago, I'm sure they'd visit NRS for a small retainer.

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Ahh so thats who it was then and not the creator. Thanks for clarifying this. I try to keep up but the specifics were kind of floating like gossamer on my memory on that one. I was certain that they had to outsource for someone just for the role with experience though and considering Mike Z did both I was definitely correct on that. I am hoping I don't have to do similar...its not easy. I can say that firsthand.

Easy 30+ percent damage for any character with a dive kick with no repercussions, see them walk forward or do a move while you're jumping back? Free damage.
You can't catch a backwards jump with any grounded move without getting caught by a stupid braindead backwards divekick

thanks man really helpful

Yeah not happening.

Fundamentally impossible.

Tym aka come online an bitch about things I don't like about the game.

just play the game, if you don't like it, play something else

even if it was possible it wouldn't happen tbh

I signed the petition, but not really expecting much. NRS has known for years now that we want an awesome netcode and it's obviously not a priority for them. I'm not sure what goes into having a great netcode and it really doesn't matter at this point because they've proven, having good online, means very little to them.

It's too late and no online isn't as important as offline. It would be nice to have a netcode strong enough to level up for offline events though.

Ra Helios said:

Arghhh!!!

Have they ever heard of a game called Killer Instinct!!!!!?

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that game is a console exclusive, of course is going to have way better net code.
it was optimized for one console.
I expected more from NRS, they might get it right with injustice 2 or not.........wouldn't surprise me

TotteryManx said:

It's too late and no online isn't as important as offline. It would be nice to have a netcode strong enough to level up for offline events though.

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you're so wrong.
online is what keeps the game alive.
the competitive scene is a very small fraction of the sales.
if people aren't playing online, there isn't much interest in the game.
what's the point of traveling to get bodied by pig if your mom if the only one watching.

NoobHunter420 said:

that game is a console exclusive, of course is going to have way better net code.
it was optimized for one console.
I expected more from NRS, they might get it right with injustice 2 or not.........wouldn't surprise me

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Everyone expected them to get it right with Injustice and then assumed MKX would be great online. I wouldn't expect much.

Let's all pretend we know what we're talking about.

Yeah, as much as I would like every single fighting game to release with GGPO, as everyone has said it is far too late.

It just couldn't really be done now without incredible amounts of work. You basically build the game around the netcode as you are making it, you can't just throw it over the top like a blanket at the end.

TotteryManx said:

Everyone expected them to get it right with Injustice and then assumed MKX would be great online. I wouldn't expect much.

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you can't be serious.
we knew this was the most likely outcome, they never gave any details regarding the net code.
that's the first red flag.

NoobHunter420 said:

you're so wrong.
online is what keeps the game alive.
the competitive scene is a very small fraction of the sales.
if people aren't playing online, there isn't much interest in the game.
what's the point of traveling to get bodied by pig if your mom if the only one watching.

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Online is not what keeps a game alive at all in the competitive scene. The numbers will dwindle online regardless. However, the competitive offline scene will still support the game with decent numbers for years. KI has great netcode, but isn't exactly "lively."

NoobHunter420 said:

you can't be serious.
we knew this was the most likely outcome, they never gave any details regarding the net code.
that's the first red flag.

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False. Ed Boon on Angry Joe said it was improved, but we all know now its no better than injustice. The smart thing to do is to start a petition for GGPO or some kind of rollback for Injustass 2 now.

TotteryManx said:

False. Ed Boon on Angry Joe said it was improved, but we all know now its no better than injustice. The smart thing to do is to start a petition for GGPO or some kind of rollback for Injustass 2 now.

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"improved over mk9" lmao.
and slight improvement over injustice
mkx just needs that grab immunity back

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that has no problems with the netcode.

Should no longer have that responsibility??

Why can he just mash pokes like a retard?? Do they not need to learn poking fundamentals??

Why can't I even duck his flying kick which he can just mb for free pressure??

Why is my only option armor or backdash if he runs cancels!? But wait, quans armor doesn't

Why can't I literally do anything in the corner if he does 21??? I lost the game if I'm in the corner with certain chars?? I can't uump, poke, my armor and wake up is too slow... Don't give me the block breaker bs... It's so bad. I lost game

Lol

Peckapowa said:

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That was a good read friend, so many characters are getting these salty complaint threads, this is like the third one I saw today.