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x0Kakashi

x0Kakashi

Kneel before me.
KT Smith said:
and how do you plan on getting close enough use these normals that have about 3 pixels worth of range? the only time you ever get to do that is after a vortex combo which makes it part of the vortex.

Vortex is the only thing that saves her from being bottom tier, straight up.

(slide is the gimmick, not the vortex)
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You get in with slide and if they block it they have to geuss and if they geuss right. geuss what? geuss again
 
G4S KT

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
Joker8417 said:
All she needs to do is put out one good slide...just one, and you have to eat a mixup. I'm not disagreeing with her placement or anything, but to call what she has a gimmick is a little off simply because their is almost no risk in doing it. That was my only point.
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well, she does extremely well against characters that have no good option to discourage sliding (which is a large portion of the cast), but every character can jump back/neutral jump to land on it so you can't ever be reckless with it.

conversely she does very poorly against characters that have good options to shut down slide.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
You have Grundy higher up on the tier scale than Frost. By any measure of judgment that's just wrong.

That never seen before downplay.
 
G4S KT

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
SaltShaker said:
You have Grundy higher up on the tier scale than Frost. By any measure of judgment that's just wrong.

That never seen before downplay.
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Grundy should be higher because he has more and better options and not a gameplan that revolves around a single move.

stop being free to random slides, I don't know what else to tell you.

(I don't even play killer frost)
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
KT Smith said:
Grundy should be higher because he has more and better options and not a gameplan that revolves around a single move.

stop being free to random slides, I don't know what else to tell you.

(I don't even play killer frost)
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"Free to random slides"? Lol ok buddy. That must be the case.

Get someone to agree with you that Grundy is higher than Frost.

And btw, I DO play Frost and would never downplay the way you are.
 
Briggs8417

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
KT Smith said:
well, she does extremely well against characters that have no good option to discourage sliding (which is a large portion of the cast), but every character can jump back/neutral jump to land on it so you can't ever be reckless with it.

conversely she does very poorly against characters that have good options to shut down slide.
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There's no doubt about that, if she can't use slide MU's become difficult, but that doesn't make it a gimmick. The fact that KF is built around one strategy is kind of shitty, it's just that the strategy is so strong that it makes up for almost everything that's wrong with it. I get why you put her there and I agree. This is probably one of the more accurate placements I've seen yet. The only few characters I really disagree with are Flash, Lobo, Green Arrow, Raven and Catwoman. I think if they were all moved up a little it would pretty much be perfect.
 
NY_Jailhouse

NY_Jailhouse

Noob
I like how high you have hawkgurl and Harley. I can't agree on the kf placement though I think she should be on the same line as batgirl.
Top tier looks perfecto though otherwise
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Joker8417 said:
The only few characters I really disagree with are Flash, Lobo, Green Arrow, Raven and Catwoman. I think if they were all moved up a little it would pretty much be perfect.
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I dunno about Lobo. From what I've seen he looks pretty Doodoo. Bottom 3 material. All those pros who wanted him trashed him. Guys who main him always say how bad he is.

The others I agree should all be moved up a lil.
 
Briggs8417

Briggs8417

Salt Proprietor of TYM
SaltShaker said:
I dunno about Lobo. From what I've seen he looks pretty Doodoo. Bottom 3 material. All those pros who wanted him trashed him. Guys who main him always say how bad he is.

The others I agree should all be moved up a lil.
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I think Lobo is a very misunderstood character. I think he has the potential to have one of the best neutral games out there. Also, not every Lobo player hates on him. PND_Ketchup also thinks he's underrated.
 
SaltShaker

SaltShaker

In Zoning We Trust
Joker8417 said:
I think Lobo is a very misunderstood character. I think he has the potential to have one of the best neutral games out there. Also, not every Lobo players hates on him. PND_Ketchup also thinks he's underrated.
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I'm gonna have to see what tech is going around the Lobo forums. I haven't heard that before. I've heard constant complaining about his inability to get in on zoners, his trait, etc. But when I checked him out he never seemed as bad as what's being said, but not having played him I could never really defend him. Good to hear that as I believe he isn't as bad as "bottom 3" but have nothing to base that on.
 
16 Bit

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
KT Smith said:
and how do you plan on getting close enough use these normals that have about 3 pixels worth of range? the only time you ever get to do that is after a vortex combo which makes it part of the vortex.

Vortex is the only thing that saves her from being bottom tier, straight up.

(slide is the gimmick, not the vortex)
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I don't get it. She can blow up any way of trying to blow up slide, like neutral jump. Then she can slide to get in or walk up to them.
 
RiBBz22

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
KT Smith the one man who can up-play a character and turn it into a massive downplay. I agree with you on KF's faults in terms of her normals (aside from d2 which is excellent), but her specials are great (specifically slide and parry) and her "gimmick"/mixup is by far the most powerful one in the game. I don't feel like the new chart reflects this at all. I think she is definitely top 5.

Her only issue is a complete lack of air control.
 
G4S KT

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
RiBBz22 said:
KT Smith the one man who can up-play a character and turn it into a massive downplay. I agree with you on KF's faults in terms of her normals (aside from d2 which is excellent), but her specials are great (specifically slide and parry) and her "gimmick"/mixup is by far the most powerful one in the game. I don't feel like the new chart reflects this at all. I think she is definitely top 5.
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RiBBz22 said:
Her only issue is a complete lack of air control.
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GGA 16 Bit said:
I don't get it. She can blow up any way of trying to blow up slide, like neutral jump. Then she can slide to get in or walk up to them.
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another thing is the vortex combo nerf. now instead of doing 40% off of a slide, it's 30% which is a big deal. Not to mention the loss of all the OTG shenanigans.
Maybe I'm spoiled by GL space control, but the more I played this MU the easier it became to just completely avoid being hit at all. It becomes a problem when you only have 1 move for the majority of the screen.
And look at her placement, even with all the problems I think she has she's still just BARELY outside of top tier.
 
NRF CharlieMurphy

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Not placing Scorpion was smart

and seriously..... if you just step back..... whats there to REALLY argue about?

The only thing... is that you'd have to make this chart for every stage...... because I think we all know at this point ..... that the stage really does matter.
 
G4S KT

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
Just so everyone is aware, (scorpion aside) IMO there are 5 kings of this game and only 2 characters are close to them.

Superman, Batman, Black Adam, Aquaman, Green Lantern.

Batgirl and Nightwing are close.

Wonder Woman is the only character I can see significantly changing position through tech and not patch adjustments.

Will update again when the next patch comes out.
 
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