Match-up Discussion Kitana Match-Up Chart

[GGA HAN]

Nice chart, Khaotik. I like how you don't downplay your character...like 16 Bit. lulz. But Kit vs Sheeva might be 8-2.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Nice chart, Khaotic. I like how you don't downplay your character...like 16 Bit. lulz. But Kit vs Sheeva might be 8-2.

Thanks. And as bad as this sounds, I'm not confident in the sheeva v kit MU lol. I almost never ran that MU with her at a high level

 

[THTB]

I'm going to be serious here, the Reptile community hella underrates punishing dash.

I punish it on reaction with 2 xx fastball with Reptile. I didn't even fight vs Reptile all that often when I played a lot.

It's seriously not as hard as it sounds.

 

[Chongo]

I punish it on reaction with 2 xx fastball with Reptile. I didn't even fight vs Reptile all that often when I played a lot.

It's seriously not as hard as it sounds.

If I say it isn't that difficult to punish if you set your mind to it, I get blown up.
If I say it isn't easy to punish, I get blown up lol.

 

[xKhaoTik]

If I say it isn't that difficult to punish if you set your mind to it, I get blown up.
If I say it isn't easy to punish, I get blown up lol.

I get happy when I punish it online.

Its just another simple punish offline.

 

[THTB]

If I say it isn't that difficult to punish if you set your mind to it, I get blown up.
If I say it isn't easy to punish, I get blown up lol.

Lol people need to blow you up for the latter, not the former. Come on, people are punishing d1s and shit on mostly reactions...we're counterpoking shit amazingly well nowadays.

The times of Reptile dash being too hard to punish really should be over if we've gotten this far on reactions.

 

[SatsuiYesHadou]

She controls the MU except point blank. First he has to get past her zoning with IAF then he has to get past her footsies. He can only beat her footies by taking a huge risk or hoping the Kitana screws up. If she hits him she does half life and is back to keep out. If he's right he either does decent damage into pressure or more likely is just in and has her blocking and begins his game. Obviously once he's in it swings to his favor but her tools for dealing with it are pretty good. Her d+3 can go under f+3 and linking normals into Ass is good for escaping.

I have seen your brother play the MU against Dizzy in tournament. His biggest problem is his overuse of d+1 to get out. Dizzy will often stop his pressure and if you try to poke out with d+1 you're getting lit up. He also will interrupt d+1~cutter because it has a gap. You cannot use d+1 as your main way of getting out. At this point I only use d+1~cutter against him for two reasons. One is if I am pretty sure he's going to do a high(like if I read throw or 2,1 after an EX forceball trap) or...if I just want to check if he's having an off day and not on point with his counter poking lol. You need to use d+3 to poke out. That way if he counter pokes it's not a punish you just have to block the f+3 and if you're right and poke out you get advantage and a mixup.

Also what a lot of people don't get about the Cage counter poking metagame is that he can't be waiting to counter poke AND continue his pressure. When you're fighting a Cage that is looping f+3 and stopping for counter pokes it means you can now try to jump out, walk out or even just throw him. When you fight Cage and you're in his pressure you cannot be scared and freeze up. So many people do this, even the top players. The guessing game is heavily in his favor but you must play it. Otherwise you'll just lose.

Pretty convincing. Hmm well I guess it could be a 5-5 at most because you do fight a more advanced cage than me all the time. Do you mind if we play some at scr?

 

[16 Bit]

Nice chart, Khaotik. I like how you don't downplay your character...like 16 Bit. lulz. But Kit vs Sheeva might be 8-2.

We'll be talking about this betrayal on the way to Coco sunday...

 

[GGA HAN]

We'll be talking about this betrayal on the way to Coco sunday...

we should bring an audio recorder and turn the ride there into a podcast. I'm sure there will be some classic downplaying and other shennanigans happening.

 

[Axel_Redd]

i need to get better at counterpoking and punishing pokes.....anyone up for that stuff online? o3o

 

[EVB SomeCubanGuy]

How does Kitana not beat Baraka 7-3? After any blocked Blade Charge, Raka HAS to block a F2. She controls spacing so well, and whiff punishes extremely hard.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Lui can zone her out and build meter.
He literally can punish d1 with b3 into combo, as well as whiffed cutter pretty hard.
His pressure is very good as well

If his zoning wasn't as good as he has it now, perhaps it could be even.
Thing is, there's only one Lui Kang now out there that's good, and that's MIT.
MITDJT

i'm going to go ahead and have it as a 5-5, Kitana does have to work alot harder, but the big thing that keeps it even is she has good footsies and one jump in and that's 50 percent. Liu's does win the zoning battle for sure and has a better rushdown, kitana has better range on her normals and more dmg. She can also get a few cutters in on him bcuz of his huge hitbox. Overall it isn't too bad for kitana at all, takes alot of patience.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

She controls the MU except point blank. First he has to get past her zoning with IAF then he has to get past her footsies. He can only beat her footies by taking a huge risk or hoping the Kitana screws up. If she hits him she does half life and is back to keep out. If he's right he either does decent damage into pressure or more likely is just in and has her blocking and begins his game. Obviously once he's in it swings to his favor but her tools for dealing with it are pretty good. Her d+3 can go under f+3 and linking normals into Ass is good for escaping.

I have seen your brother play the MU against Dizzy in tournament. His biggest problem is his overuse of d+1 to get out. Dizzy will often stop his pressure and if you try to poke out with d+1 you're getting lit up. He also will interrupt d+1~cutter because it has a gap. You cannot use d+1 as your main way of getting out. At this point I only use d+1~cutter against him for two reasons. One is if I am pretty sure he's going to do a high(like if I read throw or 2,1 after an EX forceball trap) or...if I just want to check if he's having an off day and not on point with his counter poking lol. You need to use d+3 to poke out. That way if he counter pokes it's not a punish you just have to block the f+3 and if you're right and poke out you get advantage and a mixup.

Also what a lot of people don't get about the Cage counter poking metagame is that he can't be waiting to counter poke AND continue his pressure. When you're fighting a Cage that is looping f+3 and stopping for counter pokes it means you can now try to jump out, walk out or even just throw him. When you fight Cage and you're in his pressure you cannot be scared and freeze up. So many people do this, even the top players. The guessing game is heavily in his favor but you must play it. Otherwise you'll just lose.

nice analysis, still a 5-5 for sure though. Actually i'll put it simple as to why it is a 5-5:
* from a distance the mu favors kitana bcuz of her long range normals and fans/ air to air game
*up close, cage crushes her with his pressure and gets an easy punish on her d1/ forceball traps are very effective.
that's the mu in a nutshell on who has an advantage where. I could tell how much dizzy/ denzell gave you problems at dallas up close, but when you had them at a distance, you took full advantage of it and made it hard for them to get in.

 

[xKhaoTik]

How does Kitana not beat Baraka 7-3? After any blocked Blade Charge, Raka HAS to block a F2. She controls spacing so well, and whiff punishes extremely hard.

I always had this as 7-3.

I actually run this MU a lot offline with a very good baraka player and it isn't pretty at all lol.

This MU is bad.

 

[sub_on_dubs]

@xKhaoTikx I recently heard you say that the Sub vs Kit mu is not 7-3 after fighting Tom Brady yet you have it 7-3 now. Care to explain?

 

[Son ov Timett]

Mileena 5-5 and cage wins 6-4 at least from my experience against kitana which I fight everyday. Jax is a solid 5-5 also based from what I've seen of my bro vs tyrant.
Son ov Timett

Cage-Kitana 5/5, you're a better player than I, hence why you kick my Kit's ass. Same goes for Dizzy, who I believe is the best MK player I've faced (aka got the living shit kicked out of by.) Hard to judge mus based on people you played 10000 times, due to learning each other's tendencies.

Kit/Jax 5-5 (Only Tyrant can make this mu seem 6-4)

Ermac/Kit - 6-4, Based off of Pboard and Seven, two top tier Ermacs. Hard as hell to get in, Ermac shenanigans force you to play overly cautious.

 

[xKhaoTik]

@xKhaoTikx I recently heard you say that the Sub vs Kit mu is not 7-3 after fighting Tom Brady yet you have it 7-3 now. Care to explain?

I have it as 7-3 again and here's why:

The fact that kitana can literally win by just zoning alone says a lot. His corner game is almost non existent. Ice clone can be blown up with ex fan toss with a very good read. Slide/ex slide can be baited out and punished hard.

Now, if sub gets the lead, then it can be a real bitch, but even then, all kitana has to do is just play patient, make good reads on ice clones, and sslowly work him into the corner, in which he as no safe way out.

Tom Brady's sub is just on a whole Nother level man. I've never played a sub like his and I don't think I ever will. He plays that Match perfectly, but even Brady himself said it was 7-3.

Also, there's no way that kitana beats sub 6-4 if she beats characters like cage, Lao and mileena 6-4. The advantage that kit has over sub is greater than the advantage she has over Lao/cage/mileena.

 

[Death]

I have it as 7-3 again and here's why:

The fact that kitana can literally win by just zoning alone says a lot. His corner game is almost non existent. Ice clone can be blown up with ex fan toss with a very good read. Slide/ex slide can be baited out and punished hard.

Now, if sub gets the lead, then it can be a real bitch, but even then, all kitana has to do is just play patient, make good reads on ice clones, and sslowly work him into the corner, in which he as no safe way out.

Tom Brady's sub is just on a whole Nother level man. I've never played a sub like his and I don't think I ever will. He plays that Match perfectly, but even Brady himself said it was 7-3.

Also, there's no way that kitana beats sub 6-4 if she beats characters like cage, Lao and mileena 6-4. The advantage that kit has over sub is greater than the advantage she has over Lao/cage/mileena.

Dude I actually think Mileena goes even with Kitana. Mileena still has some good tools in that MU.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

GGA 16 Bit, do you have sonya kitana 5-5? I thought that mu was 6-4 bcuz d4 ms is a problem, sonya's fast projectile, armor, and swift uppercut. Kitana can play footsies, but sonya's d4 and standing 4 will cause kitana alot of problems and instant dive kick must be respected when trying to do d1s. But i'd like to know why 5-5 for that mu.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I have it as 7-3 again and here's why:

The fact that kitana can literally win by just zoning alone says a lot. His corner game is almost non existent. Ice clone can be blown up with ex fan toss with a very good read. Slide/ex slide can be baited out and punished hard.

Now, if sub gets the lead, then it can be a real bitch, but even then, all kitana has to do is just play patient, make good reads on ice clones, and sslowly work him into the corner, in which he as no safe way out.

Tom Brady's sub is just on a whole Nother level man. I've never played a sub like his and I don't think I ever will. He plays that Match perfectly, but even Brady himself said it was 7-3.

Also, there's no way that kitana beats sub 6-4 if she beats characters like cage, Lao and mileena 6-4. The advantage that kit has over sub is greater than the advantage she has over Lao/cage/mileena.

cage is a 5-5 for sure. it's all about positioning and footsies in this mu. Up close cage will wreck her stuff, but if she manages to keep him out, she'll have the advantage.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Dude I actually think Mileena goes even with Kitana. Mileena still has some good tools in that MU.

This is a match we must run at NEC bro.

But I honestly feel like Kitana has the advantage now. I would have it as 5.5-4.5 but we don't do the decimal shit anymore. I think its safe to say most kitana players have learned the MU by now. Kit punishes her way too hard man: tele gets punished hard, roll gets punished hard, d4 gets punished hard if kit reads it. Mileena's damage is good, but not like kitana's, her zoning is decent at best and kit will get in, and kit beats her upclose IMO.

Kitana is a character that gets a majority of her damage through punishment and the foes mistakes, and since mileena is such a risky character, that helps kitana in this MU.

 

[16 Bit]

Tom is amazing in the Sub vs. Kit MU. It's a MU that totally suits his play style. When we play it feels like it's only 6-4 for her because it's so BORING. I can't keep playing solid and lame for a long set like he can lol.

 

[xKhaoTik]

Tom is amazing in the Sub vs. Kit MU. It's a MU that totally suits his play style. When we play it feels like it's only 6-4 for her because it's so BORING. I can't keep playing solid and lame for a long set like he can lol.

Man, when Tom gets the life lead, his game is such a bitch to play lol.

 

[Axel_Redd]

is there any move kitana has that can punish a blocked poke?

 

[Death]

Man, when Tom gets the life lead, his game is such a bitch to play lol.

Try playing that MU for hours on end with Sonya. Sonya wasting 1 bar of meter can potentially lead to her losing the game. Its annoying.