The only characters I can think of that can switch variations to cover bad matchups are Quan, jax, sonya, and sometimes sub, erron, and tremor. Cassie has 3 good variations but they all end up suffering against the same characters.
Yeah, that last sentence is exactly it. Even characters with good choice between variations often tend to suffer against the same things. I wouldn't have Sub on your list, I can't think of a single losing GM match up that goes from losing to winning by switching to Cryomancer except for maybe Raiden. Although he does COVER a lot of match-ups by making them 5-5, if you are willing to switch up your playstyle - why not cover it with a character who can actually take the advantage in some of your weakest match ups. Is my perspective on the matter.
Yeah that's why I said "sometimes". I think cryo also deals with ermac better and characters like that. The characters in the sometimes category won't have any drastic changes but the utility is there for character loyalists. Like dvorah gives no fucks about Klone so you might as well get some damage. And sometimes making it 5-5 is enough, but that's why I didn't put sub in the same category as jax.
I was going to mention Lasher as Cryomancer saves GM from a losing match up, however I don't think Cryo actually has the advantage here, like I said he just covers a losing match-up and turns it into a 5-5, but if you are willing to switch playstyle completely to counter pick, may as well pick someone who wrecks Takeda
Exactly. I feel sub loses to dvorah across the board so instead of slum it up with cryo I switch to a-list. Even though cryo is my most fun to play, im not delusional.
Thats a great example, GM gets absolutely mopped by DVorah 3-7 if not worse, you could switch to Cryomancer, and then great, it's only a 4-6, I mean honestly you may as well have swapped to someone that can actually bring the heat to DVorah like LK, Lao or Johnny
- i have actually dropped all my pockets that arent takeda. Sub ( all 3 ) and predator ( hunter) i use pretty much very sparring, so i tend to just stick with a variation of takeda .
Yeah the way I undestand matchups is 5-5: even, 4-6: you will win IF you outplay your opponent, 3-7: you can lose even if you outplay your opponent. Cryo only needs to touch dvorah 2 or 3 times and she's dead, her armor is ass and everything cryo ends hkd so she can't tech roll after a combo, she pretty much has to guess on the 50/50 after each time he touches her. That imo makes it an even matchup or at least damn close, but I also use cage so it wouldn't be my choice for the matchup, but it's well within a sub zero players grasp.
Yup but there is more to the game than just 50/50s and knockdown, and Dvorah does the same damage as Cryo more or less, and destroys him in the neutral, and isn't as punishable as Cryo is on his 50/50. There is no way it's even just because they do similar damage, there's a lot more to it than that and there is a reason DVorah is top 5 and Cryo isn't even top half of the cast
Yeah but sub has better "get off me tools" than dvorah. 6-4 does make more sense in retrospect though. But I dont know how dvorah can be top 5 when lao, quan, tanya, predator, and cassie are in the game. Not to mention erron and jax.
(In my opinion)
I think Dvorah is the better character fundametally,
Easily dvorahs match. Sub gets curb stomped. That's why I use johnny cage. I was agreeing with you from the start, I just think it's not as terrible a matchup as everyone says. An observation a made about sub(specifically grandmaster) is he is all over the place in matchups. Gets mopped by dvorah, but destroys Kotal kahn just as bad. Like he has 5-5s but a lot of his fights are polarizing. The Klone can nullify many characters normals. Dvorahs fucking ovipositors that don't have a hurtbox tho are terrible. He is a good character to have know as he is dominant in ways some characters can't be, but he also loses badly to several characters so hes best used not as a solo main. Jax is freakin rediculous tho, I don't see what he is missing.
