MKX is really in a good place right now

[AK Stormthegates]

Game isn't bad overall. There are some mechanics in the game that STRONGLY favor certain playstyles, but that is how MK has always been so I'm not one to bitch about it.

 

[Haou Shoukou Ken]

Much more hype to come.
The Dark Horses are just getting ready

 

[llabslb]

In a good place as in :

- netcode is terrible and no one in NRS gives a fuck ?
- it's almost the only fighting game available ? (GG Xrd and KI aren't really mainstream) ?
- balance is all over the place (and sorry, the whole cast is not "viable") ?

But it's great to have MKX be getting consistent entry numbers in tourneys.

Too bad, most people that bought MKX can't attend tourneys or actually play against anyone (most bought the game to play online).


Let's discuss if MKX is in a good place once competition gets here in 2016 (SFV etc).
Let's hope NRS understands how important a good netcode is, when they decide to launch IGAU2, too.

But it's good to have a lil positivity ... Just don't forget to have high standards when you buy a fighting game in 2015 ... NRS actually counts on you to forget !

Sell the game

 

[Rearawt]

- it's almost the only fighting game available ? (GG Xrd and KI aren't really mainstream) ?

What does that even mean?
It sells big numbers, but how in the world does that make MKX "the only fighting game available?"
What do you think people were playing before MKX came out?
What do you think people who don't play MKX are playing?

 

[Prinz]

For being positive.

It's a great time to play MKX offline and competitively for sure. There's balance, variety, competition, tournaments, tym, drama.
But for the people who only want, or wanted, an online fighter - this is the worst time ever. The netcode is terrible or at least frustrating most of the times.

 

[Undergroundepict]

I think that MKX is a fucking awesome game. The way the competitive meta has been evolving, I think that the game is deep enough that it can last for years. NRS has, in general, done a really good job of patching the game, and each successive patch has left the game demonstrably better than it was before. I fucking love it.


The problem is, online is terrible. Playing MKX online is not like playing MKX at all. You might as well be playing an entirely different game, a game that is much, much shittier than MKX.

It has gotten to the point where Online offers no purpose to me, even as a de facto practice mode. So I have, at least for the time being, stopped playing online.

As such I only get to play my favorite game once a week when I go to my local, despite an abundance of free time.

So, even though I love this game, and I believe that there is enough evidence to objectively say that this is a very good fighter, I cannot sign off on "the state of the game being good" when online is such an issue, not only for myself but also the overwhelming majority of competitive players.

It's almost 2016. People's grandmother's have broadband internet at home AND on their phones. We should be rapidly approaching the point where fighting games played online can effectively match the way they are played offline, and instead we are somehow trapped in early days of PS3/Xbox360 internet, even though our internet connections are many, many times faster, and our machine much more powerful.

Honestly, you can't sign off on a game like this where online is broken. As long as online fails to function properly, we are in a time of crisis that cannot be downplayed or ignored. I'm flying my Mortal Kombat flag upside down, and I ask that you join me in solidarity.

 

[WATCHD0G]

I LOVE THIS FUCKING GAME.....FAULTS AND ALL

 

[mercureXI]

What does that even mean?
It sells big numbers, but how in the world does that make MKX "the only fighting game available?"
What do you think people were playing before MKX came out?
What do you think people who don't play MKX are playing?

Random guy buys a PS4 or One.

Random guy wants to buy a fighting game with it.

Which games are available to him ?

That's the very reason why MKX sold big numbers (NRS rushed it so that they release it when competition is almost nowhere to be seen).

That's the very reason so many people played the game when it came out.

MK appeals a lot to casuals just because of the "gore" effect and characters like "Predator" or "Freddy" being announced early.

You don't seem to realize a good % of people that bought MKX, just bought it as a "while waiting for SFV etc" game.


The reason why a big, a huge amount of people stopped playing, though, is the netcode being a joke. A sad joke from 2008.

Again, I love MKX, but I'm not sure if I'd say "MKX is in a good place" considering online is garbage; people are very angry about it, stop playing it just because of that, and WILL jump into the SFV wagon as soon as they can since online seems "serious business" (even though MKX netcode is "awesome" if you ask Ed Boon . . .)

They rushed it, that's too bad though, MKX had potential, especially since it sold very well, to grow a huge MK community that would last long.

But we all know it won't be the case as long as NRS cares more about "The Krypt" than about their online being better than SCIV or KoFXII.

 

[MrProfDrPepper]

If they fix online and make kenshi viable I will have absolutely zero complaints (and before ANYONE tries to accuse me of trying to change the thread into a buff kenshi thread shut the fuck up. I'm just saying my personal problems with the game)

 

[Bomborge]

Random guy buys a PS4 or One.

Random guy wants to buy a fighting game with it.

Which games are available to him ?

That's the very reason why MKX sold big numbers (NRS rushed it so that they release it when competition is almost nowhere to be seen).

That's the very reason so many people played the game when it came out.

MK appeals a lot to casuals just because of the "gore" effect and characters like "Predator" or "Freddy" being announced early.

You don't seem to realize a good % of people that bought MKX, just bought it as a "while waiting for SFV etc" game.


The reason why a big, a huge amount of people stopped playing, though, is the netcode being a joke. A sad joke from 2008.

Again, I love MKX, but I'm not sure if I'd say "MKX is in a good place" considering online is garbage; people are very angry about it, stop playing it just because of that, and WILL jump into the SFV wagon as soon as they can since online seems "serious business" (even though MKX netcode is "awesome" if you ask Ed Boon . . .)

They rushed it, that's too bad though, MKX had potential, especially since it sold very well, to grow a huge MK community that would last long.

But we all know it won't be the case as long as NRS cares more about "The Krypt" than about their online being better than SCIV or KoFXII.

I'd love to hear where you got all this information that many people got it as a "waiting for SFV, etc." game. Also, I'm sure most people realize that Mortal Kombat is a game appealing to casuals as when it comes to gaming, the franchise is a pop culture icon.

Yes, everyone gets it. The netcode is terrible and should be significantly better. That shouldn't be questioned for any reason.

This thread was referring to the balance of the game at the moment, tournament turnout and placings and the continued support we are bound to get with Kombat Pack 2 coming in a few months. So please, stop complaining about the netcode in a thread that blatantly states that this is referring to just about everything else going on with the game that is not the netcode. Because honestly, at this point it seems you are complaining for the sake of complaining.

 

[MadeOfMetal]

How is online not a factor in the overall rating of a 2015 Game???
what is the number of fighters vs casuals: id say about 3% or lower. evo had about 1000 players even if they had 5000, what is that compared to 10million?

Online is a huge factor considering the majority of players planned to use online. lol nevermore.

Online was promised by NRS to be better than IGAU and MK9 alas we are back where we started, Faction wars, what faction wars, online rankings what online rankings, dev slayer lol.

MKX get's a 3/10 because of the Online experience!

if that was fixed i could deal with the many hitbox/framedata/blockstun issues that this game has.

if MKX fixed online id give it a 9/10 but its garbage so i stick with 3/10.

 

[Rude]

I play wired and my online experience is all right. Could be better, but I can gain MU XP with it.

Clearly based on streams like Fox, Honeybee, Shujinkydink, the online is good enough to train with.

It could definitely be better, but I think people are overstating it.

 

[Linkuei82]

I play wired and my online experience is all right. Could be better, but I can gain MU XP with it.

Clearly based on streams like Fox, Honeybee, Shujinkydink, the online is good enough to train with.

It could definitely be better, but I think people are overstating it.

Honestly, I think the biggest issue with MKX online is that it can't handle people who are wireless, distance from you, and a huge amount on the server. Other than that, it's decent when you don't have those factors against you.

 

[iSuckAtFightingGames]

I also think the game is in a great place. The tournament scene is stronger than any NRS game before it and while the netcode dose suck, at least it is playable this time.. so it is a step in the correct direction. Of course it should be way better, but people play all the time.

MKx is by far the best game NRS has produced with out a doubt.

 

[Undergroundepict]

Random guy buys a PS4 or One.

Random guy wants to buy a fighting game with it.

Which games are available to him ?

That's the very reason why MKX sold big numbers (NRS rushed it so that they release it when competition is almost nowhere to be seen).

That's the very reason so many people played the game when it came out.

MK appeals a lot to casuals just because of the "gore" effect and characters like "Predator" or "Freddy" being announced early.

You don't seem to realize a good % of people that bought MKX, just bought it as a "while waiting for SFV etc" game.


The reason why a big, a huge amount of people stopped playing, though, is the netcode being a joke. A sad joke from 2008.

Again, I love MKX, but I'm not sure if I'd say "MKX is in a good place" considering online is garbage; people are very angry about it, stop playing it just because of that, and WILL jump into the SFV wagon as soon as they can since online seems "serious business" (even though MKX netcode is "awesome" if you ask Ed Boon . . .)

They rushed it, that's too bad though, MKX had potential, especially since it sold very well, to grow a huge MK community that would last long.

But we all know it won't be the case as long as NRS cares more about "The Krypt" than about their online being better than SCIV or KoFXII.

I dunno. I think you are underestimating the casual MK community.

Honestly, when I pre-ordered this game, I did it purely for the sake of nostalgia. I was 6 years old when the first Mortal Kombat came out for Sega Genesis.


I remember my older brother got it for me for Christmas, which was hype as fuck, because back then, gore in video games was taboo. It was a big deal to get your hands on Mortal Kombat. You were lucky if your parents let you play it (fortuneately, my parents were objective enough to know that even as a six year old, I could distinguish between violence in fiction and violene in reality).

I remember you had to input a cheat code while the game was starting up to activate gore. Trying to work my way up the ladder, only to run into Goro, and then later Shang, was one of the greatest video game challenges of my youth.

To make a long story short, Goro and Shang became Kintaro and Shao Khan, who moved to Motaro, etc..

I lost all faith in the series with the 3d era, played them at friends houses, and decided not to buy them.

Then, MK9 came out. I played the fuck out of that game, but always as a casual. It came out at around the same time PSN went down for 6 months due to that credit card hacking scandal, so I never really got the chance to interact with the community. I had no idea back then that the FGC was a thing. Basically, I beat every characters story tower, and had a blast completing all 300 tower challenges.

Fast Forward to MKX, and I'm really only buying it because of nostalgia purposes once again. I had gotten very much in to competitive gaming, jumping around from niche to niche while also managing my extremely skilled, competitive, but increasingly dramatic and constantly problematic GTA V jet dogfighting and stunting crew, but still the thought of playing MKX competitively never crossed my mind.

Anyways, some how I just got sucked into MKX, and promtly dropped my post as leader of my GTA crew (which was a long time coming. Essentially, we were the YOMI of GTA piloting, and while being the leader and founder of that crew was quite the accomplishment, our status as best of the best meant that I was conatantly mired in some sort of drama. It all became a little bit much for a video game, and it's not like I was recieving financial compensation for my work).

The point of all this is, I purchased this game as a caual MK player.but then somehow realized that I had found my home with MKX and the FGC. People who complain MK has a bad community, have never truly been a part of a bad Community.


/cool story

 

[Tony at Home]

The tournament today really showed how great the game is. I'm sure we'll get the usual "oh, it was just a small tournament tho!", but as the game progresses we'll see more tournaments be just as hype as this.

If they fix online and make kenshi viable I will have absolutely zero complaints (and before ANYONE tries to accuse me of trying to change the thread into a buff kenshi thread shut the fuck up. I'm just saying my personal problems with the game)

 

[EndofGameBoss]

I'll be honest. I stopped playing the game after a month because it didn't feel like a Mortal Kombat game. I sold my XB1 and everything. Then, I started watching streams and I seen how much of a MK game it is. Standing jab anti airs, poking/counter poking, cancelling strings with a EX special to make it plus, running, etc. etc. Since, I've purchased another Bone and I love this game.

Psersonally, the online is inconsistent. Sometimes it's smooth as butter and other times I want to punch a duck in the face. As stated, there are players who do most of their training online and have done well at tournaments, so in theory it can't be that.

If you're playing wirelessly it's time to stop. It makes your ping worse and packet loss.

 

[RM slacked]

Other than the fact that I'm forced to play sub zero online because of the lack of a big scene in Canada (sorry but the 15 high level players we have isn't enough) I do like this game. And no, it's not because the ice clone blocks projectiles.

 

[xWildx]

Sure the game is in a great place, if you're in YOMI.

 

[Undergroundepict]

Honestly, I think the biggest issue with MKX online is that it can't handle people who are wireless, distance from you, and a huge amount on the server. Other than that, it's decent when you don't have those factors against you.

No, it is something more than that. For whatever reason, many of us have unbearable latency (read: latency = ping =/= lag) issues in MKX despite solid, wired connections, and despite the fact that our connections range from very good to god-like, and we have never had a lag problem in any other game.

I do know that there are people who do connect well to online, but they are in the minority and I cannot figure out any common characteristics they share, except that they deny how bad online is, probably cause they win a lot
It's easy to win when your ping is under 50 while mine could be damn near 200.

I also think the game is in a great place. The tournament scene is stronger than any NRS game before it and while the netcode dose suck, at least it is playable this time.. so it is a step in the correct direction. Of course it should be way better, but people play all the time.

MKx is by far the best game NRS has produced with out a doubt.

I
Online is playable in as much as it will not crash, and is not usually choppy as as a result of lag, but it does suffer from horrendous latency issues, which completely wrecks the whole meta of the whole game.

 

[Bomborge]

I play wired and my online experience is all right. Could be better, but I can gain MU XP with it.

Clearly based on streams like Fox, Honeybee, Shujinkydink, the online is good enough to train with.

It could definitely be better, but I think people are overstating it.

While I agree that online play isn't bad when wired and playing other members from TYM (I know you didn't explicitly state this, but I also know the players you mentioned that stream do play each other often), I think the overall bigger issue is that it takes a wired connection and playing other players with a wired connection to have a quality experience.

 

[Undergroundepict]

While I agree that online play isn't bad when wired and playing other members from TYM (I know you didn't explicitly state this, but I also know the players you mentioned that stream do play each other often), I think the overall bigger issue is that it takes a wired connection and playing other players with a wired connection to have a quality experience.

And even then, it is pretty bad. Even in the best of connections, where things feel smooth and all appears OK on the surface, there is still a lot going on in the background with regards to latency.

The single most reliable way to judge the level of latency is to juggle your opponent. I would so often fool myself into believing the game was alright, until I launched my opponent, and the frame loss was such that he is halfway to the ground when he should be at the peak of his launch, shortening my combo window by half.

Now, this is the most visually apparent and obvious, but the same phenomena explains why I am being counter poked on plus frames and jailed by minus ones.

It also explains why mixups I can fuzzy in my sleep offline always hit me online. It's why somehow repeatedly and consecutively poking with d4 becomes something people do, and it actually works.

These changes may seem subtle, insignificant, or ignorable at first, but they fundamentally change the way the game is played to a degree where, after learning the basics and getting some minimal match up experience, online fails to make you a better player, and could make you worse.

 

[mercureXI]

I'd love to hear where you got all this information that many people got it as a "waiting for SFV, etc." game. Also, I'm sure most people realize that Mortal Kombat is a game appealing to casuals as when it comes to gaming, the franchise is a pop culture icon.

Yes, everyone gets it. The netcode is terrible and should be significantly better. That shouldn't be questioned for any reason.

This thread was referring to the balance of the game at the moment, tournament turnout and placings and the continued support we are bound to get with Kombat Pack 2 coming in a few months. So please, stop complaining about the netcode in a thread that blatantly states that this is referring to just about everything else going on with the game that is not the netcode. Because honestly, at this point it seems you are complaining for the sake of complaining.

Again.

- Balance is all over the place (hence the 45 patches since game launched), " there's viability across the whole roster" is a joke.

- Street Fighter is an even bigger pop culture icon. The simple fact that people bought a PS4 just to play SFV beta makes this clear. And considering a good 50+ out of 80ish people from my PSN friendlist (good matches from SF4/USF4) bought MKX out of curiosity / tired of playing USF4 / just to fill the gap until SFV launches ... I can safely say these guys aren't the only ones in the world.

- Tournaments having a lot of entries / placings being steady / etc is great and all. But that's a VERY little portion of the guys that actually bought the game. MOST will never attend a tourney or will care about SonicFox.
That is a very narrowed vision of the state of MKX, and hardly a good way to judge if the game "is in a good place right now" IMO.

- "Continued support" ? You mean more characters hidden behind a paywall ? Meaning, ultimately, that you need to pay more if you wanna be competitive (need to look into the DLC characters just for Matchup knowledge's sake, and worse, one of these might be top tier and gotta use it at some point to ensure your placing - if a DLC character is a perfect counterpick for some other top tier character for example).
Or maybe you mean more "balance" patches, most of those being a way to cop for the fact that they rushed the game in order to avoid competition (SFV mainly), since a careful beta test or just a few locatests could have showed obvious problems.
Unless you talk about the fact that they plan on fixing their garbage netcode ? Or just apologize about rushing their game, selling massively MKX, and still use the weakest netcode for a fighting game released in 2015 (oh sorry, talked about MKX netcode ...)


I can be happy about being able to watch nice matches from ESL, I can be happy about NRS still balancing the game a few months after release (even though they will definitely stop after they sold all their DLCs, lets be honest here), I can be happy about SonicFox winning majors all day.

But in the end, I still bought a game that is a complete joke as soon as you try and go online. In 2015. Without a word from Ed Boon except "netcode is awesome".
In the end, most of the guys that bought this game have the very same problem.

And considering that most people bought it to play online, and that they WILL stop playing (or already have) unless NRS does something about this, meaning that the MKX community will shrink and shrink every day, I hardly consider MKX being in a good place right now.

Unless you thought the same about MK9 ? (And see how fast everyone stopped playing it)

Pretty sure by Summer 2016, people will have jumped ship, and will be playing SFV if they need a viable way to play a next-gen fighter ... online.



Fell in love with MK in arcades (rotate joystick like a maniac to do Liu Kang fatality !), loved MK ever since, but not gonna be happy about buying yet another "glorified training mode" instead of a fully functional online fighting game.

And that's the part I hate the most (I bought every MK except for a few 3D shitty ones, MK9, Injustice, etc) : I'd like NRS to step up, turn that MASSIVE amount of people that actually bought their game into DIE HARD fans and build a HUGE community around it.

But their goal is just selling Kombat Packs and teasing movie characters ... sad.

 

[GAV]

If some guys would stop asking themselves how they feel after every game and just play it, they might actually have a little fun...

 

[buyacushun]

Tournaments seem to be getting consistent entry numbers, MKX streamers are keeping around 250 - 500 viewers everyday,

That's always good. But I can't help but wonder what happens when more fighters come out and with better online. There is also the whole "Community dies with the sequel" thing.

high level players are consistently winning/placing in a game that most people thought was random in the beginning,

Basically fighting game meta and how the overall FGC acts. Same shit is starting to happen with SFV and that shit isn't even close to done lol.

there's viability across the whole roster,

I hope so. Or else those patches would have been for nothing.
#OnYourKnees
Is there are character with no good variation? Not one, I mean 0.

the next ESL season is on the way and we have another 4 more characters coming,

Meh, online is garbo and I have MKx on PS4 and PC, so ESL means absolutely nothing to me. I don't know if I'll even care about the next 4 characters or even play this game then. I used to play Predator and Tremor but they've made Tremor so odd/annoying I barely bother with him anymore.

So to me MKx has hit that part of it's FGC life where people really start to find a footing and hype starts to settle in for those who watch competitions. We got the tech and are still finding new stuff here and there. Great times. But MKx also goes through it's FGC life faster than any other series. So I give you the response I give every time stuff like this comes up. Ask me in a year when the scene changes. Game gets more figured out. [Maybe I can actually make a footsie/neutral based gameplan work.], different fighters will be available besides KI on XB1 and Xrd on PS4. Overall game is still "fresh" to me. I haven't had that burnout yet, only from playing dumb matches in this game.

EDIT: Oh, bought this game with a friend on PC. He no longer plays because SF and Xrd play better online. He doesn't play a lot of people and so if I want to continue playing my friend it has to be on something else/better. Can't say I blame him or don't see where he is coming from.