DubiousShenron
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very trueAll I want is some Variations really. Forceball also sucks. It's not good for zoning. It's not good for setups. It's not good for pressure. It sucks all around.
very trueAll I want is some Variations really. Forceball also sucks. It's not good for zoning. It's not good for setups. It's not good for pressure. It sucks all around.
1. That may be a bit extreme. If we're going to compare him to Sub-Zero, FB startup could just achieve parity with Ice Ball. The recovery on meterless ones would be nice if they were enough for 14xxFB to not get murdered by reversals (and for EX frames to reflect meterless FB improvements). That's already asking a lot.I'm just gonna be real with y'all for a second..
This would not make Reptile broken.
1. Decreased startup on Forceball now 20 frames, down from 33 frames
2. Acid Spit damage increased by 2 making it 7% up from 5%
3. Ex Klaw Pounce now -5 on block down from -1,000,000 frames
4. Ex Slide is now a pop-up allowing for a small juggle.. aka same type of pop-up as Ex Reptilian Dash
How's that?
Very well put on the starving for meter. Removing the Ex Reptilian Dash altogether would definitely be fine with me if they don't give it armor or something...1. That may be a bit extreme. If we're going to compare him to Sub-Zero, FB startup could just achieve parity with Ice Ball. The recovery on meterless ones would be nice if they were enough for 14xxFB to not get murdered by reversals (and for EX frames to reflect meterless FB improvements). That's already asking a lot.
2. Spit's a token projectile. I wouldn't sweat it as much as FBs. It's not great, but whatever.
3. I don't think the EX version's so bad. Yeah, it's risky, but at least it's a long-distance armoured combo starter. The meterless version's safety for what it gives, though, is totally nonsensical.
4. Just as giving EX ED armour would invalidate EX Slide, letting EX Slide start combos would invalidate EX ED. They suit different purposes and aren't jeopardizing Reptile with their current dynamic.
Reptile starves for meter, but cranking up EX moves isn't going to make that easier. A safe (but disadvantaged) db2 and more practical FBs would do a lot on their own. If he could build meter with -5 or so blockstrings, the occasional neutral FB, and more mid-combo FB options, that may prove enough.
since when is sonya plus on any strings? shes literally punishable on everyone lolI play Kenshi, Kano, Sonya, plenty of characters. To see the meter they build and how plus or neutral they are while doing it is crazy.
It's more so Kano and Kenshi being plus or neutral, but they both build hella meter and so does Sonya, it's awesome to just throw out parrys from full screen with Sonya since she recovers so fast from them. Cool meter building stuff like that it what Reptile needs.since when is sonya plus on any strings? shes literally punishable on everyone lol
sonya doesnt build hella meter, she just doesnt need it for anything...there's a differenceIt's more so Kano and Kenshi being plus or neutral, but they both build hella meter and so does Sonya, it's awesome to just throw out parrys from full screen with Sonya since she recovers so fast from them. Cool meter building stuff like that it what Reptile needs.
True Sonya doesn't really need meter for much, but have you ever played against some really good Sonya's? My scene includes, Showtime, Scar, Aya, etc. They build a lot of meter dive kicking around for movement, throwing parrys out safely, and plenty just doing special forces thingssonya doesnt build hella meter, she just doesnt need it for anything...there's a difference
that being said, i still see where your coming from with reptile -- he probably has the worst meter build in the game (negative specials and probably worst zoning)
Yes i agree with this post all the way. After playing a lot of games i recently, im fine if they dont change the balls at all. because they kind of do what i want them to do now. to either block for a second...or to have them jump. Having set ups are pretty much out the window for them now unless u burn a bar.. He really is cool the way he is now, some variation changes will be nice but for the most part....Yea, hes ok.I don't think he needs better forceballs. Could he use them? Yes, but honestly, I feel like everyone is trying to still play him like MK9 and not actually adjusting their play to how his tools actually allow. Does he lack safe specials? Yes, but almost every normal you will be using with him is usually safe on block, and + on block. It's not really necessary. Forceballs don't have many actual setups, but it's not absolutely impossible to get them out, and when they're out...they still force reactions, whether it's block, jump over, low profile, etc. There's ways to get them out, it doesn't have to be systematic or built around a setup.
I feel like his core tools are built around the variations, but his variations aren't giving him that oomph because they take meter to really use. Improving those would help, but I understand why Cossner has said he'd be fine if Reptile didn't change a lot more now, and feel the same way.
better forceballs honestly, i think everyone would admit that. they should at least be usable. reptile plays a strong ground game and forceball should play an integral part in that but sadly does not. reptiles air control as awful at best so usable fbs would feel more suitable for himTrue Sonya doesn't really need meter for much, but have you ever played against some really good Sonya's? My scene includes, Showtime, Scar, Aya, etc. They build a lot of meter dive kicking around for movement, throwing parrys out safely, and plenty just doing special forces things
@DubiousShenron What do you think Reptile would benefit more from? Better forceballs or better meter building on block strings?
As weird as it sounds, I think FBs would benefit more from a safe db2. FBs are totally fine if you're spending meter on them, but that's a tough pill to swallow for Reptile. His meter build is a struggle, and there's a lot of options for him to spend meter on, so a safe db2 could make choosing an EX FB more appealing. I don't think a Reptile who has to be choosy with his strong EX options--but gets those options at a more respectable rate--would be too crazy.What do you think Reptile would benefit more from? Better forceballs or better meter building on block strings?
i really dont see the relation between safe klaw and fbs at all...As weird as it sounds, I think FBs would benefit more from a safe db2. FBs are totally fine if you're spending meter on them, but that's a tough pill to swallow for Reptile. His meter build is a struggle, and there's a lot of options for him to spend meter on, so a safe db2 could make choosing an EX FB more appealing. I don't think a Reptile who has to be choosy with his strong EX options--but gets those options at a more respectable rate--would be too crazy.
On the other hand, better FB frames could lead to gaining meter in neutral more easily, possibly stronger setups, and possibly better meter in combos? It would still be useful, but I think giving meterless db2 some presence would make the purpose of FBs feel more complete.
I don't want to be a dick but didn't you drop reptile for kenshi as a main?I don't think he needs better forceballs. Could he use them? Yes, but honestly, I feel like everyone is trying to still play him like MK9 and not actually adjusting their play to how his tools actually allow. Does he lack safe specials? Yes, but almost every normal you will be using with him is usually safe on block, and + on block. It's not really necessary. Forceballs don't have many actual setups, but it's not absolutely impossible to get them out, and when they're out...they still force reactions, whether it's block, jump over, low profile, etc. There's ways to get them out, it doesn't have to be systematic or built around a setup.
I feel like his core tools are built around the variations, but his variations aren't giving him that oomph because they take meter to really use. Improving those would help, but I understand why Cossner has said he'd be fine if Reptile didn't change a lot more now, and feel the same way.
Kinda, but not really. I was still using Reptile, just focusing on seeing what was up with Kenshi because he seemed interesting, and started using him more when the patch came out. I started using him less the more I felt he wasn't for me, and then just went back to Reptile 100%.I don't want to be a dick but didn't you drop reptile for kenshi as a main?
he def has pressure and forceball setups off hard knockdownvery true
I haven't fought a Scorpion since the patch (my one Scorpion-playing friend dropped him)--does the 7-frame d3 change the Scorpion matchup much? I felt like he was a nuisance before, but I can't speak about how much respect Reptile has now.If Reptile is going to be respected or even put up a fight against Scorp or Sub, he's going to need some dirt on them, like a usable forceball!
Make sense? Agree, disagree?
punishable by meterless slide, im 99% sure. reptile doesnt have a safe fb setup against subSubby's EX Slide makes Reptile weep. To be fair, there are ways around him (f412xxbf2, f412xxEX SFB slightly delayed etc.)