General/Other - Tanya Tanya SHOULD be normalized.

[RunwayMafia]

I understand your frustration but right now you can just mash regular tele and get out of a lot of pressure for free. Maybe instead of reducing the startup they could just reduce the invincibility frames?

That's actually incorrect.

What I CAN do is runaway and or travel the screen with ease. However, teleport pressure and being able to "safely" escape my opponents pressure, not so much. A lot of my training partners have already started stuffing my teleport eacape attempts or just flat out knocking me out of it or punishing my follow up/descent.

Regular teleport is not what people should be worried about.

Also, what if they added frames to the teleport and it affects her combos in DN? Besides some ranged pokes and pogo shenanigans, her meterless damage is the saving grace in DN.

 

[MortySeinfeld]

Cool M2Dave thread.

 

[just_2swift]

Let's be real, Tanya is no Raiden.

However, the fact that Raiden's teleport costs a bar of stamina is garbage.

#EqualOppurtunityTeleportist
#IsupportEqualRightsForTeleports

You are missing the point. What's the logic behind raiden himself having one variation that's based around this mechanic and it's carp compared to Tanya who has it spread across all three and it's GOD like... #let's be real

 

[SaltShaker]

What I CAN do is runaway and or travel the screen with ease. However, teleport pressure and being able to "safely" escape my opponents pressure, not so much. A lot of my training partners have already started stuffing my teleport eacape attempts or just flat out knocking me out of it or punishing my follow up/descent.

Regular teleport is not what people should be worried about.

Had to quote this so it can be seen twice. I could've made this exact post word for word.

 

[CJKRattlehead]

Fair enough, I thought you were going the opposite way with it, and saying SZ is Raiden tier.

I didn't get why Raiden was OP because if only played against bad ones. Once I started playing against good ones, he's literally my hardest match up across all characters. Raiden is insane.

the problems I hear over and over are because of those damn option selects If they were gone (they must be patchable I refuse to believe they aren't) he would be 4th-6th IMO and doesn't need further nerfs other than meter build off lightning strings.

 

[M2Dave]

Tanya has a block infinite on quan chi?

Test b+3,1,2 in the corner and see whether you can interrupt with d+3 consistently.

 

[RunwayMafia]

You are missing the point. What's the logic behind raiden himself having one variation that's based around this mechanic and it's carp compared to Tanya who has it spread across all three and it's GOD like... #let be real

Lol. No, I understood your point, I just dont understand the logic of, "Humpf boo hoo. Why does Tanya have such a good teleport and not Raiden!!!???"

That's just how NRS/Paulo decided to design her.

#BuffDisplacerRaiden

 

[Zoidberg747]

That's actually incorrect.

What I CAN do is runaway and or travel the screen with ease. However, teleport pressure and being able to "safely" escape my opponents pressure, not so much. A lot of my training partners have already started stuffing my teleport eacape attempts or just flat out knocking me out of it or punishing my follow up/descent.

Regular teleport is not what people should be worried about.

Also, what if they added frames to the teleport and it affects her combos in DN? Besides some ranged pokes and pogo shenanigans, her meterless damage is the saving grace in DN.

It's not incorrect, you can literally mash teleport and it will get you out of pressure. Try going into training and doing 21122 command grab shenanigans with Erron Black, it takes some practice but you can tele out no matter where he cancels the string. Same goes for stuff like Jax's heavy weapons pressure, Dvorahs swarm queen pressure(not f112 WGC obviously).
They can't stuff it because when you do it it will make a move whiff therefore making it impossible to punish the tele. Only character I know it doesnt work on currently for some reason is Cage Fisticuffs, but it is very very good at getting out of pressure.

I'll admit I didn't think of DN when agreeing with the nerfs. I agree those startups should maybe be left alone, but I think something's gotta give. Reducing invincibility would only mean you can't mash the tele during blockstring pressure, you could still get out of pressure on a good read.

 

[deg222]

That's all you'd nerf? Just give f2 5 more frames of hitstun so she can still do her Dragon combos and I'd be more than fine with this lol.

 

[I GOT HANDS]

You are missing the point. What's the logic behind raiden himself having one variation that's based around this mechanic and it's carp compared to Tanya who has it spread across all three and it's GOD like... #let be real

Well, Raidens problem isn't that displacer is crap, it's that TG outclasses it completely... But at the end of the day, Tanya is a character whose gameplay revolves around her Teleport, Raiden around his lightning strings, their variations should add different tools to complement their gameplay focus, it's ok that he doesn't have Tanya's teleport on top of all this IMO.

the problems I hear over and over are because of those damn option selects If they were gone (they must be patchable I refuse to believe they aren't) he would be 4th-6th IMO and doesn't need further nerfs other than meter build off lightning strings.

I think even without options selects he is top 3 quite easily. In my opinon. He's really damn strong

 

[7L]

Someone bring in the sub zero thread saying how it's too early to be normalized.

Kappa

 

[RunwayMafia]

That's all you'd nerf? Just give f2 5 more frames of hitstun so she can still do her Dragon combos and I'd be more than fine with this lol.

When articulated in this manner, I suppose I can accept changes to the teleport.

Are you maining DN?

 

[SonicFox5000]

Test b+3,1,2 in the corner and see whether you can interrupt with d+3 consistently.

@michaelangelo rip

 

[WidowPuppy]

That's all you'd nerf? Just give f2 5 more frames of hitstun so she can still do her Dragon combos and I'd be more than fine with this lol.

You gonna do the same for 112 and 24 her 8 and 10 frame punishes that in the corner can be linked with tele d2? Or should we take these combos away from her?

 

[UsedForGlue]

Can't tell...yet.

 

[RunwayMafia]

It's not incorrect, you can literally mash teleport and it will get you out of pressure. Try going into training and doing 21122 command grab shenanigans with Erron Black, it takes some practice but you can tele out no matter where he cancels the string. Same goes for stuff like Jax's heavy weapons pressure, Dvorahs swarm queen pressure(not f112 WGC obviously).
They can't stuff it because when you do it it will make a move whiff therefore making it impossible to punish the tele. Only character I know it doesnt work on currently for some reason is Cage Fisticuffs, but it is very very good at getting out of pressure.

I'll admit I didn't think of DN when agreeing with the nerfs. I agree those startups should maybe be left alone, but I think something's gotta give. Reducing invincibility would only mean you can't mash the tele during blockstring pressure, you could still get out of pressure on a good read.

Well, I admit that I dont know every string/situation she can allegedly escape via the teleport. (Mainly because when I'm being pressured, I'm not mashing teleport.)

Although, if I get crazy with cancelling into teleport while pressuring them, I will get shut down pretty quick. Njp, punches, uppercuts, people who walk back etc., all can counter reckless teleport pressure.

It astonishes me that the regular teleport is viewed as OP by some. EX tele is way too good, not the reg teleport.

 

[Zoidberg747]

@michaelangelo rip

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Well, I admit that I dont know every string/situation she can allegedly escape via the teleport. (Mainly because when I'm being pressured, I'm not mashing teleport.)

Although, if I get crazy with cancelling into teleport while pressuring them, I will get shut down pretty quick. Njp, punches, uppercuts, people who walk back etc., all can counter reckless teleport pressure.

It astonishes me that the regular teleport is viewed as OP by some. EX tele is way too good, not the reg teleport.

Im not saying its OP, but it is really good. Like I said before, when done right it cant get shut down lol. I guess they could just stop canceling strings into stuff but then you can just cancel it once you see that and stay safe.

 

[RunwayMafia]

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Im not saying its OP, but it is really good. Like I said before, when done right it cant get shut down lol. I guess they could just stop canceling strings into stuff but then you can just cancel it once you see that and stay safe.

Hmmmm...so you agree it's not OP but "really good".

A lot of things in this game are "really good", that doesn't warrant a "OMG YOU GUYS, THIS MOVE IS REALLY GOOD! IT MUST BE ALTERED NOW!" type of mentality. Lol, come on.

You still play Dvorah, correct? I bet a lot people think her wasp cancels are "really good" and should be altered, doesn't mean they are right.

I think most people are just Suuuuuper unfamiliar with her in general, as we all are really, and this is the kneejerk reaction. Her teleport is what makes her unique in a game full of rushdown madness.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Hmmmm...so you agree it's not OP but "really good".

A lot of things in this game are "really good", that doesn't warrant a "OMG YOU GUYS, THIS MOVE IS REALLY GOOD! IT MUST BE ALTERED NOW!" type of mentality. Lol, come on.

You still play Dvorah, correct? I bet a lot people think her wasp cancels are "really good" and should be altered, doesn't mean they are right.

I think most people are just Suuuuuper unfamiliar with her in general, as we all are really, and this is the kneejerk reaction. Her teleport is what makes her unique in a game full of rushdown madness.

I dont play Swarm Queen no. I also do think they should tone down f112 WGC and have always had that stance lol.

I have a problem when I can mash a move and stop pressure in the game. If its on a read i'd be cool with it but a lot of times it is not. Maybe there is a better way to do that then reducing the invincibility, idk. I just think it's dumb and feel bad when I do it.

Not to mention she has a block infinite on some of the cast with b312 b312. Thats pretty dumb too.

 

[SaltShaker]

I bet a lot people think her wasp cancels are "really good" and should be altered, doesn't mean they are right.

Oh for sure we are right. It's one of the most absurd things in the game. More stupid than anything in Tanya's entire arsenal lol. It needs adjusting as soon as possible.

 

[deg222]

When articulated in this manner, I suppose I can accept changes to the teleport.

Are you maining DN?

Nah, I don't feel you can use DN in every MU. I just switch between both DN and Kobu.... and Pyro every now and then.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Nah, I don't feel you can use DN in every MU. I just switch between both DN and Kobu.... and Pyro every now and then.

I was just curious because I'm making a B2/Swing Kick spacing guide (including all the armored wake ups that SK can stuff) and didnt know if I should tag you.

 

[M2Dave]

@michaelangelo rip

Also mess around with f+4 and f+4,3. These two moves are very good, especially if your character has mediocre armor options.

 

[RunwayMafia]

Oh for sure we are right. It's one of the most absurd things in the game. More stupid than anything in Tanya's entire arsenal lol. It needs adjusting as soon as possible.

I'm actually shocked people aren't outraged with Dark Shroud. I wreck shop with this move the second I get an opening.

Safe on block, has armor, can end virtually every string with it, breaks armor, and lasts for two years. Oh and the chip damage and added damage to the fireballs.

But alas, regular teleport is the real broken tool. *rolls eyes*

 

[M2Dave]

I'm actually shocked people aren't outraged with Dark Shroud. I wreck shop with this move the second I get an opening.

Safe on block, has armor, can end virtually every string with it, breaks armor, and lasts for two years. Oh and the chip damage and added damage to the fireballs.

But alas, regular teleport is the real broken tool. *rolls eyes*

Very few people use Pyromancer, which may actually be Tanya's best variation, so people are not aware of Dark Shroud's effectiveness.