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MK Peanuts

MK Peanuts

afk
TheIrishFGCguy said:
Okay, so what? I don't see your point here. Cybernetic Kano is a zoning character and his knives are already -10 on block. Making that any worse so people can punish him easier is totally ridiculous.
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The in game frame data for projectiles assumes you're doing them from point blank. From further away they're less negative. Same with EX Knives, that's only +5 if you do it right next to them, the further you are the more plus it gets.
 
TheIrishFGCguy

TheIrishFGCguy

Pew pew pew
MK Peanuts said:
The in game frame data for projectiles assumes you're doing them from point blank. From further away they're less negative. Same with EX Knives, that's only +5 if you do it right next to them, the further you are the more plus it gets.
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I'm still confused as to what his point is. He called the character an asshole and complained about how safe the knives are. Kano's knives are completely fine as they are and negatively impacting them at all gives us a one way ticket to MK9 Kano. Cybernetic is a zoning variation, and therefore -10 is perfectly fair regardless of how the game treats frame data and ranges. Any less than -10 is a completely unjustified nerf, so I don't see the point of bringing up his knives because that debate holds no merit.
 
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Branden Delio

Branden Delio

PSN: C9-Keiji
TheIrishFGCguy said:
I'm aware of this, but I'm confused as to what his point is. He called the character an asshole and complained about how safe the knives are. Kano's knives are completely fine as they are and negatively impacting them at all gives us a one way ticket to MK9 Kano. Cybernetic is a zoning variation, and therefore -10 is perfectly fair regardless of how the game treats frame data and ranges. Any less than -10 is a completely unjustified nerf, so I don't see the point of bringing up his knives at all.
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No one cares this is the Takeda forum so without further ado lets get back to how Takeda is the slowest ninja of all time and even the training from Hanzo Hasashi him self couldn't save this man from his poor family genes.






oh and B1.
 
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NinjahMeh

Noob
well i do know 1 thing, being a newb to TYM this thread has totally made me consider Kano, to add to my list of characters that can be fairly abusive and not need huge flashy combos to win (<3 venomous D'Vorah) so you say all i do is b+1 a lot and i win? cos i like winning. stuff all the flashy crap (shame kano fatalities are arse cos i like to do those too)
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
TheIrishFGCguy said:
Okay, so what? I don't see your point here. Cybernetic Kano is a zoning character and his knives are already -10 on block. Making that any worse so people can punish him easier is totally ridiculous.
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My point is that he is really good and can bully some characters easily. Which is why I said he is a asshole and flying under the radar. I never spoke about nerfs or anything. You're the one coming at me hot right now.
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
As a Kano main. All I can say is, learn to block high and learn to poke out. I've been poke out the pressure b1 string I've submitted to others online. Cyber Kano is awesome just like his pre need days of MK9. Please go look at other fighters incredible normals and frame advantages (Jax, Raiden, Liu Lang). These there have great normals or advantage on blocks. Stop picking at Kano b1 and learn to block high then poke low.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
MK Peanuts said:
The in game frame data for projectiles assumes you're doing them from point blank. From further away they're less negative. Same with EX Knives, that's only +5 if you do it right next to them, the further you are the more plus it gets.
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I'm aware lol. This isn't my first fighting game. My point is that he is good. Never mentioned nerfs or anything.
 
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NinjahMeh

Noob
PrimBloodGhost said:
As a Kano main. All I can say is, learn to block high and learn to poke out. I've been poke out the pressure b1 string I've submitted to others online. Cyber Kano is awesome just like his pre need days of MK9. Please go look at other fighters incredible normals and frame advantages (Jax, Raiden, Liu Lang). These there have great normals or advantage on blocks. Stop picking at Kano b1 and learn to block high then poke low.
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i believe the point made in the thread is that takedas low poke does not counter on frames with the b+1 and also thread is NOT about jax raiden or liu kangs issues either.

i may be wrong but i think my reading is on point
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
NinjahMeh said:
i believe the point made in the thread is that takedas low poke does not counter on frames with the b+1 and also thread is NOT about jax raiden or liu kangs issues either.

i may be wrong but i think my reading is on point
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You are correct. Kano can bully a lot of characters...that's the whole point here...
 
TheIrishFGCguy

TheIrishFGCguy

Pew pew pew
TotteryManx said:
My point is that he is really good and can bully some characters easily. Which is why I said he is a asshole and flying under the radar. I never spoke about nerfs or anything. You're the one coming at me hot right now.
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I know you didn't say the word nerf directly, but you complained about the knives being as safe as they apparently are. If the knives are fine and not in need or a nerf then why even bring them up?
B1 is the bullying tool here, and the only Kano move in this entire thread that's even relevant. Nothing else in his Cybernetic moveset is worthy of complaints.
I apologise for coming across like that in the first place, it was knee-jerky, I just don't see the relevance of the knives. B1 is Kanos only true "bullying" tool.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
TheIrishFGCguy said:
I know you didn't say the word nerf directly, but you complained about the knives being as safe as they apparently are. If the knives are fine and not in need or a nerf then why even bring them up?
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Because people are having difficulties dealing with his b1 due to slow normals. I pointed out another strength of his to let people be aware he is a strong character and that b1 isn't the only thing advocating this. I don't want nerfs at all. Only buffs if it happens. I'm taking it you're a Kano player since you are being protective right now?
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
Please..I'll be pissed if Kano gets nerfed again. I really like the Australian bad ass! Mk9 nerf was not needed all because of people not learning how to deal with zoning. Fighting casual players online sucks cause I get hate flank for knife and eye lasers.
 
-LD50-

-LD50-

In a relationship with Killer Frost
Branden Delio said:
No one cares this is the Takeda forum so without further ado lets get back to how Takeda is the slowest ninja of all time and even the training from Hanzo Hasashi him self couldn't save this man from his poor family genes.






oh and B1.
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Yeah adding kano into this video really made for a mess and sheer stupidity of a 10 page thread. Instead of everyone arguing about Kano b1's we could try and focus on the fact that Takeda's pokes and general frame data entirely are so fucking trash that it doesn't even remotely compensate in his zoning and he really can't deal with any pressure or get anyone off him.

oh and Kano B1
 
TheIrishFGCguy

TheIrishFGCguy

Pew pew pew
TotteryManx said:
Because people are having difficulties dealing with his b1 due to slow normals. I pointed out another strength of his to let people be aware he is a strong character and that b1 isn't the only thing advocating this. I don't want nerfs at all. Only buffs if it happens. I'm taking it you're a Kano player since you are being protective right now?
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Actually no, I very rarely play him. I just hate how he was destroyed so quickly in MK9, so when I see the knives being brought up again as if they're a bad thing it irks me. Forgive me for seeming so provocative, it was stupid of me and unnecessary considering I misinterpreted the point of your original post.
 
Hitoshura

Hitoshura

Head Cage
If b1 becomes a problem down the line then maybe a slight push back down be added when blocked? But, the moves frames should not be touched. To be honest, this is similiar with Kabal's block strings how you can escape with a poke or uppercut and both players are put into a neutral game again, so this may not even be that bad. For those here stating Kano is a problem overall should play him and see where you're wrong. The character is very solid, but he has shortcomings. Especially the lack of overheads in cybernetic and commando. He has no mixup game unless in cutthroat.
 
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Hitoshura

Hitoshura

Head Cage
PrimBloodGhost said:
Okay well this doesn't mean Kano is unstoppable. Tekeda has long range attacks, and so does Kung Jin. Both of them have high damage potiential, Kano doesn't. So I'm glad I have a bully move to keep the pressure.
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Like I said, Kano is good. He's not a problem though. As the meta evolves he will find his spot while others continue to climb.
 
Invincible Salads

Invincible Salads

Seeker of knowledge
i don't use kano, but when you say he would bait takeda's d2, how would he do that? by making it whiff? by back dashing or does he block it? just curious.
 
TotteryManx

TotteryManx

cr. HP Master
PrimBloodGhost said:
Okay well this doesn't mean Kano is unstoppable. Tekeda has long range attacks, and so does Kung Jin. Both of them have high damage potiential, Kano doesn't. So I'm glad I have a bully move to keep the pressure.
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I never said he is unstoppable. Just that he is good. I also never said to nerf him and etc. I don't know how to state that more clearly.
 
M2Dave

M2Dave

Zoning Master
dribirut said:
The fix for this is extremely simple. Just make his b1 -1 but keep the same recovery frames.. There problem solved. Btw. Every single character has a way to get out of this.. Except maybe summoner quan chi.
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I dislike exceptions. No character should have to deal with block infinite combos. I suggest that b+1 be -4 on block. You still have the threat of the second hit, which is -1 on block. I hope NRS manages this change appropriately. I think I speak for everybody in the Kano community when I say that we do not condone or support block infinite combos but would like to see that b+1 remain a viable poking tool. I think -4 on block is a fair number.

Zyphox said:
lol i love you dave, but i didn't compete with a character that apparently is a block infinite on some characters. also thank you for at least proving me right, does kano need to get nerfed? maybe, maybe not. does takeda need a faster d1, yes. i honestly don't care what you do or say at the end of the day, i knew the risk going in what this video would do. if in the end takeda becomes slightly more viable because of my bitching and i get my back blown out to Andromeda, i'll be one happy SOB.
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First of all, I am the best Kano in the world right now. Even if your d+1 had 1 frame of start up, I would still destroy you.

Second of all, your main character in Injustice got in for free and did safe 50/50 mix ups that led to 50%+ combos. You boast about being "all about that rush down". Yet as soon as you encounter the first powerful offensive strategy, you have the audacity to create this thread and complain. You are no different than Sonic Fox who, after getting his ass kicked by Tom's Sub Zero, is whining about the ice clone because his "set play" has to actually be set up.

For your sake, I hope b+1 is nothing else other than -4 on block. If not, I am holding you personally responsible. Tonight, before you go to bed, pray to whatever deity you believe in that Takeda does not end up being a top tier character. Because if he does, you will have to deal with my video and my opinion. I will create a thread and blow that shit up until it reaches 1000+ posts. Mortal Kombat 9 Sheeva will make Takeda look like a top tier character.
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
For those that don't know..Kano always has a string that ends into a bomb. When I'm block it pushes him away and makes him safe. Also ex knife throw cancel is just has effective along with b1 pressure.

I know this is about Tekeda inability to handle Kano up close, but look at the damage Tekeda cause mid range?
 
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