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Rising Thunder is as simple as it gets :)
Also if they're trying to jump over its like the only use for regular vicinity blast. That and goro can't stomp raiden at all. On another note I'm getting blown up by people just laying on the ground for like the full time after I knock them down. They just punish me after I whiff my attack. Any advice?
 
So what are our best anti-air attacks?
I was actually pretty curious about this as well but I forgot to test it out earlier so I'm glad you reminded me. Just did though and f1 seems really good. Its so fast and hits them even if they're directly over you. Also if you're in TG you can just continue the f1,2,b2 string after you hit them. Overall I feel like f1 is one of the best pokes in the game. 5 frames, hits mid, and antiairs.
 

Barrogh

Meta saltmine
I'm not sure that f1 is that kind of mid that actually hits against lower-than-crouching hitbox, so there's that.

Speaking of antiair, gotta try that I think. Realized that I have to figure something out yesterday when I saw that both VB and Rising thunder get outright stuffed by Cassie's JI1.

NJP kind of helps in someone is jumping on you (it's on a better side for Raiden I suppose), but that's obviously situational.
 

SirRaven

Teleport tickle fail
Also if they're trying to jump over its like the only use for regular vicinity blast. That and goro can't stomp raiden at all. On another note I'm getting blown up by people just laying on the ground for like the full time after I knock them down. They just punish me after I whiff my attack. Any advice?
If they are staying down and not wake-up attacking, I find the best option is 3,4. His neutral front kick will whiff giving them the thought they could get up safely but the follow up is an overhead kick that'll launch for combo. I've had moderate success with that as my delay-up counter attack. You can start mixing it up by doing the neutral 3 and then blocking because they'll start doing wake up attacks.
 
Have we got a match up thread? Would be nice to see which match ups you guys feel that Raiden is strong/weak in. I've seen a ton in the other character forums lol
 

SirRaven

Teleport tickle fail
I'd like to see that too...I don't know every character but from my own experiences, I'd say he's strong against fellow midrange fighters that rely on mid-game for combos due to slow startups. IMO depending on variations; subzero, takeda, cages, all give a fair fight.

He's very weak against in your face pressure characters or very quick zoners like Kung Jin arrows / disc. Liu Kang / Mileena / Even Kotal Kahn's f2,d3 is painstaking for him. This coming from a displacer raiden. I'm sure thundergod raidens have a different estimation by using firework pushes in combo strings.

His wakeups aren't very safe to escape pressure and his poke game is slower than most. Making matters worse, his uppercut is a hair slower too and one of his quicker moves is a high so it'll whiff the turtle community.
 

mrtom

Noob
I'd like to see that too...I don't know every character but from my own experiences, I'd say he's strong against fellow midrange fighters that rely on mid-game for combos due to slow startups. IMO depending on variations; subzero, takeda, cages, all give a fair fight.

He's very weak against in your face pressure characters or very quick zoners like Kung Jin arrows / disc. Liu Kang / Mileena / Even Kotal Kahn's f2,d3 is painstaking for him. This coming from a displacer raiden. I'm sure thundergod raidens have a different estimation by using firework pushes in combo strings.

His wakeups aren't very safe to escape pressure and his poke game is slower than most. Making matters worse, his uppercut is a hair slower too and one of his quicker moves is a high so it'll whiff the turtle community.
Yeah, in your face pressure characters can be real tough especially when they have real quick normals. It's like you have to press your fastest button way ahead of them or their button wins. I still can't figure out how to deal with good Jax players, once he gets in it's so hard to escape and if he gets you in the corner you're finished.
 

Nivek

Athena guide me, the thunder God...
Db1 ex to db1
edit: that didnt exist in the previus patches as i am aware
 

Gworzor

Noob
The case is that want even exist...when they added this??
It's always been there, I posted some videos of a weird trick allowing it to hit for 17%. It normally hits for 14% if you stop it right on the opponent and 12% otherwise. It's good because the normal ex only hits for like 7%.
 

Nivek

Athena guide me, the thunder God...
It's always been there, I posted some videos of a weird trick allowing it to hit for 17%. It normally hits for 14% if you stop it right on the opponent and 12% otherwise. It's good because the normal ex only hits for like 7%.
Always? http://testyourmight.com/threads/two-fly-moves.49285/ and there are videos with command from day one not with it...
and that link was prerelease and remember CLEARLY not being there because i was searching it..
Also the multi-hitting ex projectile cancel damage is clearly a bug unfortunally...
 

Iz-GOod

Noob
On another note I'm getting blown up by people just laying on the ground for like the full time after I knock them down. They just punish me after I whiff my attack. Any advice?
If you're using Thunder God variation, you may want to consider some of the lightning strings (1,1,2(hold),2(hold)). I would have to test it, but I'm guessing you can time it so that it covers both regular and delayed wakeup, and it has armor-breaking properties. Note that they could time their wakeup attack to hit you in between the last 2 hits, after raiden teleports. Again, would have to thoroughly test it.

So far, against online scrubs I've been doing NJP in the corner after knockdown. It can probably be stuffed by some wakeup moves, but if they delay wakeup I don't care since NJP recovers right away.
 

Varion

Noob
I'm a king jin main, looking at picking up an alt. I'm reading all of the threads, but what's raidens weakness? Is he really solid or what? I love my jin.
 

mrtom

Noob
I'm a king jin main, looking at picking up an alt. I'm reading all of the threads, but what's raidens weakness? Is he really solid or what? I love my jin.
He can have trouble with strong zoning characters. In your face rush down vortex characters can be pretty tough as well. He can cranky certainly hold his own in these matchups but it usually requires meter.
 

Varion

Noob
He can have trouble with strong zoning characters. In your face rush down vortex characters can be pretty tough as well. He can cranky certainly hold his own in these matchups but it usually requires meter.
I haven't played any good raidens, but how does he hold up against strong pressure Jin?