Breakthrough - A-List [Beta Closed] Lets talk about A-list as is during Beta

[Bilbo11]

There is not much around for us Johnny players to look at with the upcoming patch, and with the Beta going strong we can assume that some of these changes will follow through to the major patch incoming.

I have tried to comb through the frame data so far, but with limited patience from my opponents all I have to offer is:

I will try to keep scoping through but if any one has any more to input please post so we can have a more thorough look at what could be incoming. Please post your info and I will try to add to this to make it easier to have all the Johnny Cage changes in one place. Thanks

New (?) Breaker System - On break, both players loose all stamina.

D4 is -6 on block and has 21 recovery frames - (was -1 BLK and 16 Recovery)
+Possible Hurtbox changes

This means we basicly get one shot at a D4 before its time to block (-6)
and trying to low profile jump ins, X-overs, and NJPs with D4 (21 Rcv) may be alot harder.

Fisticuffs
Speedbag- -3 on Block, 10 Frame Start up from (11i) = {B1}
Fist Bump Start up/Recovery = Faster than 44i ? (?) can anyone confirm recovery?
Fist Bump Grap now does 17% dmg, up from 12%

 

[IrishMantis]

There is not much around for us Johnny players to look at with the upcoming patch, and with the Beta going strong we can assume that some of these changes will follow through to the major patch incoming.

I have tried to comb through the frame data so far, but with limited patience from my opponents all I have to offer is:

I will try to keep scoping through but if any one has any more to input please post so we can have a more thorough look at what could be incoming. Please post your info and I will try to add to this to make it easier to have all the Johnny Cage changes in one place. Thanks


D4 is -6 on block and has 21 recovery frames - (was -1 BLK and 16 Recovery)
This means we basicly get one shot at a D4 before its time to block (-6)
and trying to low profile jump ins, X-overs, and NJPs with D4 (21 Rcv) may be alot harder.

D4 still low profiles the way it did before

I think there is a bit of a placebo effect going on

 

[JDM]

D4 still low profiles the way it did before

I think there is a bit of a placebo effect going on

Absolutely this, Johnny is still really good.

 

[Bilbo11]

I get you there but as a trip guard, with the extra recovery added on wiff and the opponent crossing over again it might not be as usefull, D2 might have to cover it.

 

[IrishMantis]

I get you there but as a trip guard, with the extra recovery added on wiff and the opponent crossing over again it might not be as usefull, D2 might have to cover it.

Well if you're tripgaurd is whiffing then effectively you are not using it as a tripgaurd

 

[EGP Awesomo]

Said it before and Ill say it again, d4 shouldnt be a magic pill for your wins. I feel like d4's main use has been and is inteded to be used to low profile pressure and in footsies as a whiff punisher or to check them a few times while you wait for your stamina to come back

 

[Bilbo11]

anywho, if anyone has any more information on changes to JC during the beta please feel free to post.

 

[Asodimazze]

D4 is not as good as it used to be, but still good.
The biggest nerf for A-List is the new breaker system

 

[dennycascade]

Johnny is probably gonna have a hard time dealing with zoning with the update to breakers. You can zone him out all day, build meter and as soon as he touches you just break and make him work his way back in without stamina. Saltface did this to me with his mileena and it made me realize how big of a change the breaker update is.

 

[ismael4790]

D4 still low profiles the way it did before

I think there is a bit of a placebo effect going on

I definitely feel it different. It fails avoiding crossups much more than before. Seems that the hurtbox over his shoulders is a bit bigger.

 

[IrishMantis]

I definitely feel it different. It fails avoiding crossups much more than before. Seems that the hurtbox over his shoulders is a bit bigger.

Name what normal and I will test it to see if you still can low profile

 

[Bilbo11]

Name what normal and I will test it to see if you still can low profile

Jax/Sub Jump in Punch

how are you testing on beta?

 

[M.D.]

NERF THAT FKIN JAX/SUB JUMP IN PUNCH.

Is it that not obvious that it has to poke NRSs eyes out to realise that shit needs to GO into the TRASH?

 

[IrishMantis]

Jax/Sub Jump in Punch

how are you testing on beta?

I meet with a friend on the beta

 

[ismael4790]

Name what normal and I will test it to see if you still can low profile

I noticed vs sub cross up punch. It hitted much more times than it used to hit when trying to avoid it with d4.

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Johnny getting zoned out is hilarious. He has every tool.

Fireball is already a top projectile and shadow kick gets you a full screen in.

To anyone complaining...Level up dudes.

 

[Bilbo11]

Johnny getting zoned out is hilarious. He has every tool.

Fireball is already a top projectile and shadow kick gets you a full screen in.

To anyone complaining...Level up dudes.

Just looking for patch notes on Johnny Cage that anyone has noticed, not trying to start arguments, maybe I shoud have done this on Reddit ?

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Just looking for patch notes on Johnny Cage that anyone has noticed, not trying to start arguments, maybe I shoud have done this on Reddit ?

His d4 is fine and more like other d4. I don't think he has other changes

 

[I Am The LK]

I'm actually fine with the changes. FC got buffed. SD got a slight buff. d4 was nerfed but IT WAS A BIT BROKEN. He's fine.

 

[Bilbo11]

I'm actually fine with the changes. FC got buffed. SD got a slight buff. d4 was nerfed but IT WAS A BIT BROKEN. He's fine.

Could you post the changes? I will just add them all, makes it easier

 

[Thanilla Ice]

Idk if anybody mentioned this but I mb'd a blocked nutpunch on a crouching Scorpion and it whiffed right over him, never seen that in my life. Can anybody confirm this?

 

[ismael4790]

I'm actually fine with the changes. FC got buffed. SD got a slight buff. d4 was nerfed but IT WAS A BIT BROKEN. He's fine.

The Fisticuffs grab buff is cool looking, but it's not enough. With many characters getting better pokes, if his speedbag stays the same he will be more thrash than he is now.

 

[dennycascade]

Johnny getting zoned out is hilarious. He has every tool.

Fireball is already a top projectile and shadow kick gets you a full screen in.

To anyone complaining...Level up dudes.

Anyone smart can punish you for trying to EX shadowkick from full screen, and many times it doesn't even get you in, they can still retreat and keep spacing you out. And trying to win a zoning war with forceballs against certain characters... You will lose. I'm not saying Johnny is now hopeless against zoning now, but he will have to work harder to get in and start his pressure, especially with breakers leaving him without stamina, his most vital resource.

 

[Bilbo11]

The Fisticuffs grab buff is cool looking, .

Does FC have a new grab?

Idk if anybody mentioned this but I mb'd a blocked nutpunch on a crouching Scorpion and it whiffed right over him, never seen that in my life. Can anybody confirm this?

What did you MB ? Take Down sweep?

I have seen some wierd things go over a Nutpunch, and a Flip Kick, both charged and armoured.

 

[I Am The LK]

Could you post the changes? I will just add them all, makes it easier

Fisticuffs- Seems to be still -3 on block but 7 frame startup. Chip buff seems so startup much faster. Stunt double all I know is there's like a second less cool down before you can get your mimics.