Armored Kombat X

[Luna Post]

Armor moves need to be made vulnerable to throws.
They overcentralize the game because even though they cost 1 bar, the vast majority of them are completely safe and lead to 30%+ combos and can't be baited due to either an extremely fast recovery or they leave you across the screen impossible to punish on whiff
Once both players have 1 bar, the game gets extremely campy because you can't pressure anymore due to fear of armor because there's no way to stop it

 

[callMEcrazy]

I just watched the Fatal 8 tournament with some of the world's best MK players fighting it out. I saw nothing campy about how they were playing. Use of armored moves seemed quite normal, nothing abusive.

 

[Spinky]

Would you like a MB B3?

 

[Skeezer12]

Armored moves can get beat out by a neutral JP . Its a meta game . If you read that they are going to armor out neutral JP

 

[Deyrax]

Ever heard of multi-hit moves ?

 

[PND OmegaK]

adapt

 

[Skeezer12]

Ever heard of multi-hit moves ?

Multi hitting moves will wiff dude . Most multi hitting moves are negative . Execpt like lui kangs bicycle Kick that is like +15 or something

 

[coolwhip]

After an Okay-ish first week, thread quality wise, TYM returns to its traditional ways in the second week.

 

[RYX]

of all the things you could complain about it's one-hit armor that lasts maybe a second at best

 

[joemabob]

Smfh lol

 

[JTB123]

After an Okay-ish first week, thread quality wise, TYM returns to its traditional ways in the second week.

"my avatar"

Was nice while it lasted

 

[Fractured_Shadow]

Armor moves need to be made vulnerable to throws.
They overcentralize the game because even though they cost 1 bar, the vast majority of them are completely safe and lead to 30%+ combos and can't be baited due to either an extremely fast recovery or they leave you across the screen impossible to punish on whiff
Once both players have 1 bar, the game gets extremely campy because you can't pressure anymore due to fear of armor because there's no way to stop it

Armored moves are needed to escape 50/50's on wake up. That being said there are MANY ways around armor.

The armor in MKX is actually done very well.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

So after the first hit then... Its pretty much over... Only option is to stand there freaking out... Must be scary
All these matches of people just doing it wrong...

 

[Barrogh]

I always seem to play wrong characters. I dunno about you OP but my armored moves are less safe than their meterless variants... Unless the latter already unsafe as f, that's it.

 

[Eldriken]

of all the things you could complain about it's one-hit armor that lasts maybe a second at best

This. Armor seems to only last for a few amount of startup frames and then it's gone.

 

[JLU51306]

I can break through most passive armored wakeups with Raiden's 214 string into DF2 EX for a full combo punish.

 

[Barrogh]

I can break through most passive armored wakeups with Raiden's 214 string into DF2 EX for a full combo punish.

Pretty sure you can opt for (b3)[2] for the same effect (only TG obviously). Not sure about every wakeup, so maybe not fastest, then again, some people report that slides get stuffed sometimes...

 

[M.D.]

I'm almost sure that 90% of the people who want armor gone or punishable are Kung Jin players that want to safe bullshit 50-50 all day from half screen

 

[Big Pampering]

The vast majority of the armor moves are safe? I don't believe you...

 

[Vithar]

Let's not have Armored moves so people can rush like UMVC3 and the 1st who gets pressured loses the round!
COOL

 

[Heartwire]

Armored moves are needed.
If it wasn't for that you could easily rush down people, corner trap them etc.

And I personally have not been combo'd 30%+ after someone used an armored wake-up.
It's usually used to escape a corner or relief pressure as far as I can see.
Ontop of that, I've not encountered anyone "campy" apart from people who zone which is part of zoning I suppose.
Also, a lot of armored moves can be punished actually.
Only a handful are safe.

I really don't get the complaint in this topic.
Sounds to be like you just can't deal properly with them and don't anticipate them to begin with trying to rush people down.
Come to think of it, it sounds like you are specifically having issues with Liu Kang.

 

[Skeezer12]

Let's not have Armored moves so people can rush like UMVC3 and the 1st who gets pressured loses the round!
COOL

Thank you

 

[Luna Post]

All the arguments for armored moves I've seen so far are
"I can't block"

 

[BillStickers]

All the arguments for armored moves I've seen so far are
"I can't block"

Isn't that the argument you're using in favor of removing armor?

 

[callMEcrazy]

As long as we don't have armored moves like MK9 Sonya's ex cartwheel it's fine.