Any wake up attack will beat it, as will tech rolls as tom said.Easily beaten by a move with armor aint it? After subzero does 2,1 and lets the opponent on the floor. It leaes subzero vulnerable. Also he had wakeup attacks off.
Ground freeze gimmicks? Why would people give up on trying to use one of their specials? It's a terrible move to begin with so you NEED those "gimmicks" to use it effectively.What I find really silly is that this is considered a reset, and not an infinite.
Yes, I realize it doesn't work at all, but he's operating under the assumption that it does. If this "reset" actually worked, why wouldn't you just... I don't know, go back into the same combo into the same ground freeze reset, every time, for the infinite?
My head hurts just thinking about this. People really need to give up on the ground freeze gimmicks already.
Altaire just likes to call people out on every topic for some reason, but he is right about this one, you can't use puddle effectively through this, Unless you surprise your opponent, which is hard considering the 55 frames on ice puddle. Can win a few matches for you, but will lose you a ton as well.Ground freeze gimmicks? Why would people give up on trying to use one of their specials? It's a terrible move to begin with so you NEED those "gimmicks" to use it effectively.
yea now with so many safe wakeups this is uselessRoll? Wakeup?
This will not work unless you train your opponent to stay on the ground after a combo and vs sub, that isn't going to happen...ever.
Sorry, when I said "effectively" I meant more effective than throwing a puddle by itself. You may catch someone every once in a while with the "reset" but it will definitely beat a stand alone puddle in ALL cases.Altaire just likes to call people out on every topic for some reason, but he is right about this one, you can't use puddle effectively through this, Unless you surprise your opponent, which is hard considering the 55 frames on ice puddle. Can win a few matches for you, but will lose you a ton as well.
Thats not my idea of making a move useful.
People fall for it because they've never seen it. I've done it to people that have caught on mid match and got out of it. You can probably use it a few times in the match if your lucky and your opponent doesn't have good reactions...I was actually able to do this pretty consistently yesterday. Yeah it's escapable, but it's worth a try if you condition your opponent to not do wake-ups. Also, it might catch people off gaurd since it is mid-string. Wasn't doing it against scrubs either.
Yeah obviously lol. No one is saying use it all match, but it's a cool trick to use once in a while.People fall for it because they've never seen it. I've done it to people that have caught on mid match and got out of it. You can probably use it a few times in the match if your lucky and your opponent doesn't have good reactions...