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Carmine

PSN: CaptCarmine
........It's listed in the OP
yes I read that it doesnt have wasp cancels, and gains the krawler,
I should have clarified, what is the difference in playstyle? It seems swarm queen is pressure, while brood queen is set up, and I was asking the players who play Brood think is the benefit of getting the setup over the wasp cancels and I was asking their opinions as to why this variation is so unexplored or underrepresented in comparison to swarm
 
yes I read that it doesnt have wasp cancels, and gains the krawler,
I should have clarified, what is the difference in playstyle? It seems swarm queen is pressure, while brood queen is set up, and I was asking the players who play Brood think is the benefit of getting the setup over the wasp cancels and I was asking their opinions as to why this variation is so unexplored or underrepresented in comparison to swarm
Brood mother has pressure, setups and damage. Krawler adds more space control and it is a lot harder to play and execture
 

Johnny2d

Xbl: Johnny2Die
Yes, I believe most of us knew that, glad to great you're working on it though. After a couple days I got it consistent in matches too. I think @Vak Phoenix has a whole list of what combos with bug cancels in brood mother.
Oh cool! You know where that list is? Cause imo this makes a huge difference in the variation, and the original post says she doesnt have wasp cancels. She kinda does, you just need to hit confirm from f11. This is major because it combos into 212 which grants all of her sick setups.
 

ChatterBox

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Oh cool! You know where that list is? Cause imo this makes a huge difference in the variation, and the original post says she doesnt have wasp cancels. She kinda does, you just need to hit confirm from f11. This is major because it combos into 212 which grants all of her sick setups.
It adds a lot to her game being able to get Krawler setups off F11. That's the only one I've ever had combo for me. I have no idea where but about a month ago he claimed there were more. @Vak Phoenix where you at?
 

Johnny2d

Xbl: Johnny2Die
It adds a lot to her game being able to get Krawler setups off F11. That's the only one I've ever had combo for me. I have no idea where but about a month ago he claimed there were more. @Vak Phoenix where you at?
Yeah I'd be surprised if there are any grounded cancel combos using anything other than f11 since the f11 xx combo is already so strict and f11 has the most favorable advantage for a cancel combo. I know she can do stuff like 212, bug xx, b21, krawler... but in that case it's a juggle. What would be best is a cancel combo off of 112, or f22, so we could have our fastest punish and overhead into combos, but as far as I know its impossible, oh well, can't have everything.

Well, f11 is one of our best tools for whiff punishing and closing space and catching them walking, so being able to combo that into 212 is fantastic, so I'm happy there :)
 

Johnny2d

Xbl: Johnny2Die
Help me find corner setups that put her at jump distance.

Most of her moves advance her, making combos that end in low bug free to delayed wakeup. If she's close and ends the combo in low bug (a great setup midscreen) the krawler runs past them if they delay.

using b21 canceled to krawler works to beat the delayed wakeup, but doesn't setup jump distance.

What I've found so far (I'll post videos later) In the corner. I use f11 because I'm practicing it as a bnb starter.

This one puts you at good range for a f34 setup after krawler comes out:
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, 4, df3

This one ends in air throw, but gives you some space between yourself and the opponent who you threw back in the corner
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, b12, throw

This one uppercuts them out of the corner, but then ends with f42 to reverse positions back into the corner:
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, d2, d1, f42

These leave you at about sweep distance or just outside, which is getting closer to what I want, but isn't quite what I was hoping for for a jump distance setup. Ideally I'd like to put krawler out, then be at jump distance to setup a meaty jump in hard to blockable.

I was thinking of using df1 xx in the juggle then jump back to get the perfect spacing, but don't know about a jump back cancel input for the bug xx. If anyone knows a good input to do a bug cancel canceled to jump back, this could be sickkkkkk.

Help me find this stuff guys, I know it's in there :)

@Vak Phoenix @ChatterBox
 
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Help me find corner setups that put her at jump distance.

Most of her moves advance her, making combos that end in low bug free to delayed wakeup. If she's close and ends the combo in low bug (a great setup midscreen) the krawler runs past them if they delay.

using b21 canceled to krawler works to beat the delayed wakeup, but doesn't setup jump distance.

What I've found so far (I'll post videos later) In the corner. I use f11 because I'm practicing it as a bnb starter.

This one puts you at good range for a f34 setup after krawler comes out:
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, 4, df3

This one ends in air throw, but gives you some space between yourself and the opponent who you threw back in the corner
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, b12, throw

This one uppercuts them out of the corner, but then ends with f42 to reverse positions back into the corner:
-f11, bug xx, 212, ex puddle, njp, JUMP BACK 2, d2, d1, f42

These leave you at about sweep distance or just outside, which is getting closer to what I want, but isn't quite what I was hoping for for a jump distance setup. Ideally I'd like to put krawler out, then be at jump distance to setup a meaty jump in hard to blockable.

I was thinking of using df1 xx in the juggle then jump back to get the perfect spacing, but don't know about a jump back cancel input for the bug xx. If anyone knows a good input to do a bug cancel canceled to jump back, this could be sickkkkkk.

Help me find this stuff guys, I know it's in there :)

@Vak Phoenix @ChatterBox
Alright ill try :)
 

Johnny2d

Xbl: Johnny2Die
Alright ill try :)
Thank you!!!

Also, it seems really easy to find setups that put the bug under them as they wakeup, but every one of these can be blocked low first then high assuming you do and overhead attack. I'm currently looking for mixups that allow you to knockdown, put low bug out, then control if you hit overhead or low first as they get up. An optimal combo will allow you the choice, and hit twice so fast it will beat armor.

Currently I like 212 ex puddle into b21, krawler, because you can walk a step forward or a step backward before b21, causing the krawler to either be right under them or at sweep distance allowing you to overhead first, creating a better hard to blockable mixup. Doesn't feel perfect yet though, idk.
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
This one welcomes you.

Brood Mother does not have wasp cancels, it is replaced with bug blast and has same inputs. bug blast can be meter burned and meter burned after a meter burn. (she shoots 3 times and costs 3 bars, kind of like Scorpion can meter burn his spear and then burn it where fire travels on a spear and burns opponent.) In addition D'Vorah gains a low bug called a Krawler.

She does not gain any of variation specific normals or combos, just like she does not in any other of her variations. This makes D'Vorah's combos universal with a bit of touch on it in each variation, either ender or starter.

Brood Mother is a space control, rushdown, mix-up and set up variation, you can see the set ups performed in the video below. Her Krawler has a slow startup and goes full screen, it also travels very slowly and has a great hitbox for a low attack. Krawler is 7% on hit and gives you a chance to get a free hit in if it hits close, keep in mind that after a hit Krawler pushes opponents back. D'Vorah also keeps her puddle and ovipositor rush in this variation just like any other variation.

Once you are full screen you can release a Krawler and run in after it, after run you can get a free overhead attack for example F3 or F2, or a jump in. It is extremely hard to block Krawler and an overhead or a jump in attack at the same time. If Krawler connects and then you do a jump in the opponent gets pushed back and make sure that timing on a jump in is on point. Also Krawler takes time to recharge, which means that it has a 4.5 seconds cooldown before it is available for release again.

After a you knock your opponent down make sure that you space yourself and back up just a little bit to release the Krawler and go for a jump in or walk up and perform an overhead move, if not then Krawler will hit and push opponent back not allowing you to perform overhead attack or a jump in at the same time as the Krawler hits. Once Krawler is released it sits in one place for 0.3 seconds and goes after the opponent, the reason why it sits there for 0.3 seconds is that if opponent crosses you up, the Krawler auto-corrects its direction.

Bug blast is a projectile which is a high, and cover a nice space. startup frame is 28 and recovery frame is 10, which means that it is a quick shot, not fast nor slow. Bug blast can anti air since it covers a good enough space and can be used in a projectile battle. Releasing a Krawler and doing a Bug Blast, makes opponent either block or jump. If block they will block low and take the chip for both Krawler and a Blast, if jump the opponent will avoid the Krawler most likely and get hit by Blast or vice versa, depending on where they are jumping.

D'Vorah's puddle does not pup up high in this variation just like Venomous and it needs to be a meter burn for you to land a neutral jump after a puddle, however you can still combo after a non-meter burn version which is demonstrated in my video below.

Just as Krawler allows you to space your opponents with Blasts, and just like it can create a free overhead or a jump in situation, it also will trade with a lot of things if the Krawler is released in seconds where your opponent is about to attack you, my video demonstrates how it is good trade against Kung Jin's dive-kick and how you can get a combo after a trade, so make sure you check that out. Against Sub Zero's clones it does wonders, if you release a Krawler and then shoot a blast, one will break his clone and other one will interrupt whatever Sub Zero is doing, also demonstrated in the video. Krawler also allows you to break a lot of armors, for instance Quan Chi's armor spell, release a Krawler and go for jump or F2, also in my video. (F2 has a great range and is an overhead)

If full screen and you see opponent blocking or hit by a puddle or blast, release a Krawler and run after it, you can get pressure, free overhead attack or a jump in, or air to air if opponent decides to jump.

After doing your BnB combo and it has not started with a Krawler, make sure that instead of cancelling the very last hit into a Ovipositor Rush/Charge, cancel it into a Krawler for a set up or rush down, it is demonstrated in my video, for example : 212 meter burned puddle f34 f44 Krawler creates a great space for you to walk up and do an overhead attack or jump in, or 212 puddle f112 Krawler throws opponent away and Krawler chases after, you get to run for more pressure, free over head attack, a jump in or get to play a keep away game, now keep in mind that D'Vorah is very well rounded but she is not a strict keep-away character, she is a heavy rushdown character. Also after a Krawler if your opponent has low health and you see them jump, rush after your Krawler make sure your opponent has below 33% health you can do an air X-ray attack if you have full meter. D'Vorah can do X-Ray from air and ground as well and it is 5 frame startup.


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Combos for brood mother midscreen

Meterless
ji xx 212 xx krawler xx f44 ovipos 29%
krawler xx ji xx 212 xx swarm xx f44 ovipos 33%
krawler xx ji xx 212 xx swarm xx f112 ovipos 34%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx f44 xx d4 ovipos 41%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx run b12 xx airthrow 42%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx bugblast xx run xx f44 xx run b12 xx airthrow 46%

1 Bar

krawler xx ji xx 212 xx ex swarm xx f34 xx f44 ovipos 41%
krawler xx ji xx 212 xx ex swarm xx walk forward xx nj1/2 xx f34 xx b12 xx airthrow 42%
krawler xx ji xx 212 xx ex swarm xx walk forawrd xx f44 xx f44 ovipos 43%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx ex bugblast xx run xx f44 xx run xx b12 xx airthrow 47%

Combos for brood mother corner

Meterless
ji xx f44 xx f44 xx krawler xx b12 xx airthrow 40%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx f44 xx 112 ovipos 44%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx bugblast xx b12 xx airthrow 45%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx bugblast xx 21u3 xx airthrow 48%

1 Bar

krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx ex bugblast xx b12 xx airthrow 48%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx ex bugblast xx 21u3 xx airthrow 50%

2 Bars

krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx ex bugblast *hold R2* xx b12 xx airthrow 50%
krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx ex bugblast *hold R28 xx 21u3 xx airthrow 52%
I'm having so much trouble with the swarm puddle to F44?
How tight is the timing?
EDIT: Visual cues?
 
Great guide, she's a lot of fun to play but I'm struggling w/ this combo :

krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx run b12 xx airthrow 42%

I just can't seem to get her bald little head close enough to land the second hit in B12. Any pro tips would be much appreciated.
 
I'm having so much trouble with the swarm puddle to F44?
How tight is the timing?
EDIT: Visual cues?
Just press it when they get popped up.
Great guide, she's a lot of fun to play but I'm struggling w/ this combo :

krawler xx ji xx f44 xx f44 xx run b12 xx airthrow 42%

I just can't seem to get her bald little head close enough to land the second hit in B12. Any pro tips would be much appreciated.
run cancel after 2nd f44
 
Are you on PC? This One does 33% in XL. You're better off doing jip f44 f34 b12 throw for 32% after krawler.
Ouch, that's quite the damage decrease for XL. I couldn't really see myself pulling it off consistently anyway. Thanks for the suggested combo. It seems doable & I like anything that ends w/ her air throw for aesthetic reasons.
 

KillaGthug4Life

Believe in Magic yet? Let us Dance
Lol Is broodmother even viable anymore? She does, however, recover remarkably quickly after an ex puddle. Maybe the potential for some lo-verheads in the corner or other setups?
 

D7X

EMPEROR | D7X
Lol Is broodmother even viable anymore? She does, however, recover remarkably quickly after an ex puddle. Maybe the potential for some lo-verheads in the corner or other setups?
She's really not that viable.
Though, if she had the cancels like SQ, she'd be broke.