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Discussion Why Alien Should Be Banned.

Should Alien Be Banned Until He Gets Fixed?

  • Yes

    Votes: 153 54.1%

  • No

    Votes: 130 45.9%
  • Total voters
    283
Cashual

Cashual

PSN: Cansuela
STRYKIE said:
When someone uses their seasoned knowledge to demonstrate "character exclusive broken algorithms" to further a banning agenda which may have several negative repercussions on the competitive future of the game and then get shown how wrong they are by a furry teenager who teabags mid-match and will probably beat them in pools 3-0 with his pocket Jacqui at his next major:

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This post was so beautiful, I cried.
 
TrulyAmiracle

TrulyAmiracle

Loud and Klear~
Lololol this thread, USF4 Elena had half the shit in the game whiffing on her crouching hurtbox and she had an ultra that can heal her back multiple times each round and they let her rock.
With all the ridiculous shit in this game I find it funny that THIS is what pushed you guys over the edge <___>
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Tweedy said:
He's definitely safe. 7% mix ups and he's punishable half of the time, needs meter to launch and is unsafe.

Dude he's the new Kobu Jutsu. Bro all my armors get baited when he's -15. THOSE MINUS FIFTEEN STAGGERS THO
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I know you've probably been corrected but I have to point out how ludicrous this is. B3 is -9 but if done anywhere except right next to the opponent its safe. Tail flip is only punished by 3 or 4 people. His D4 is the same as B3, do it max range. F13 is safe and can be canceled into mixups that are safe as well(provided they aren't EX). Even stuff that is supposed to be punishable like EX Tail flip isnt because of how bad blockstun works in this game. She is not super safe but nowhere near an unsafe character.

The exception is Tarkatan with the OS but Tarkatan sucks and you shouldn't be playing her anyway.
 
Nu-Skoool

Nu-Skoool

Feel the nerf of despair
So if this evasive blocking glitch causes Aliens hurtbox to recede, then why does nobody seem to be talking about the implications of this possibly making strings whiff in the neutral game while playing footsies? The high/low debacle is one thing, but this could really undermine neutral.

Say you have Cage f3, Alien inherits no risk by utilizing evasive blocking since it's a mid. So if Alien is just inside the range where f3 will always connect, there's no risk from blocking high to low, whereas if he's outside that range, that's a whiff punish, granted the the timing is right. Cage inherits all the risk while Alien takes none.
That's fundamentally broken. This micro step talk is nonsense, Alien is effectively shutting down neutral game tools while skewing the risk/reward ratio.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Pterodactyl said:
If you were a in charge of a tournament, i'm talking putting your hard earned money into running and organizing it, would you EVER ban anything based on the whims of strangers with potentially biased or skewed information on the internet?

Fucking. No.

So why do you think this would happen?

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In the FGC, you'd be surprised. Anyone who's been around long enough can rattle off a list of tournament-related decisions which didn't make sense, due to TO's not knowing enough to make a proper decision and not taking the time to properly determine the best course of action.

However, Rick from Combo Breaker is one of the few who I'd trust not to do this.

It's still a tricky issue, as you're generally asking someone who doesn't play the game to make a decision based on the game's mechanics and engine/gameplay details. I don't think Tweedy's worrying is misplaced; but Tweedy you've said enough now, and I don't think continuing to rant will have any further effect.
 
CrimsonShadow

CrimsonShadow

Administrator and Community Engineer
Administrator
Paul the Octopus said:
I honestly don't think it's the community's fault. Every community has people who are capable of that.

It's the NRS balance process (both the poor initial balancing and then the band-aid rapid fire hot fixes) that perpetuate it. In SFV, when a character sucks, players switch (e.g., even Snakeyes - one of the biggest character loyalists - switched from Zangief), instead of whining about it for a year. When a character is strong, they lab them.

NRS games - my preference over Capcom games by the way - would be so much better if the balance process was more like Capcoms. Not just the lower patch frequency though - has to be better initial balance too (otherwise it'd be worse than what we have now, which is awful initial balancing which gets semi fixed by rapid fire hot fixes, with a lot of causalties and collateral damage in the form of unneeded buffs/nerfs to already strong/weak characters)..
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How does this relate to the Alien situation? These aren't balance considerations -- just small bugs/glitches with the way the engine and animations work (that affect multiple characters, as explained in this thread).
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
Acidic isn't broken unless its in the hands of a higher skilled player. Stuff can always look broken that way when its really not. In This case I dont have the knowledge on Acidic enough to speak if he need banned or not.
 
Addhad

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
Why can't we make all hitboxes the same to stop this nonesense where if you play a female u have an instant advantage via dropped combo
 
Apex Kano

Apex Kano

Kano Commando main MKX
HomeLee1121 said:
d00d.....that's like saying pre patch tanya wasn't broken b/c crawlingshadow used her.....u frauking w0t m8
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What Alien language is this?? Anyways a good player can make a fair character look great. I mention I not too familiar to this broken Alien rubbish.
 
Wigy

Wigy

There it is...
Im confused. Sonic is arguing alien shouldnt be banned cause this isnt game breaking, when he made a topic the other day titled gamebreaking alien tech or something along those lines. Surely if he has one borderline broken shit and a 100% broken thing, he should get banned

I don't know anything about alien/care btw
 
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Dizzy

Dizzy

False Information Police Officer
Premium Supporter
NetherRealm Studios
Excellent posts from @SonicFox5000 and @Red Raptor both players that I respect highly not just for their skill, but their ability to explore MUs and not talk unless they have facts. None of his posts were based on feelings without basis.

Sonic doesn't post much on TYM, but has a lot in this thread. You may wonder why, and if you are short sighted think "he just wants to keep using Alien".

No its not that. I will explain why I believe he is making these posts:

1) He is one of the few people who actually fully explores MUs aside from one character, so he actually has a good understanding of hit boxes across the cast
2) He competes in many games, and actually has an understanding of what is ban worthy. (Hint: nothing alien has)
3) He knows that bandwagoning by dishonest agenda pushers is rampant in this community, and if he didn't set the record straight, who would?

If there's are the reasons for posting, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

If there is any strategies or tech that constitutes a ban, I am waiting to see it.
 
WakeUp DP

WakeUp DP

GT MK OshTekk.
GGA Dizzy said:
Excellent posts from @SonicFox5000 and @Red Raptor both players that I respect highly not just for their skill, but their ability to explore MUs and not talk unless they have facts. None of his posts were based on feelings without basis.

Sonic doesn't post much on TYM, but has a lot in this thread. You may wonder why, and if you are short sighted think "he just wants to keep using Alien".

No its not that. I will explain why I believe he is making these posts:

1) He is one of the few people who actually fully explores MUs aside from one character, so he actually has a good understanding of hit boxes across the cast
2) He competes in many games, and actually has an understanding of what is ban worthy. (Hint: nothing alien has)
3) He knows that bandwagoning by dishonest agenda pushers is rampant in this community, and if he didn't set the record straight, who would?

If there's are the reasons for posting, I agree with him wholeheartedly.

If there is any strategies or tech that constitutes a ban, I am waiting to see it.
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He lost all credibility when he demanded GM subz nerfs day 1.
 
ismael4790

ismael4790

Stay focused or get Caged
Would it be so hard for nrs to fix this with a hotfix before Combo Breaker?

I mean, it's not like a block infinite type of ban worthy, but it's stupid anyway...I can't imagine the salt if a player lost a match due to Alien avoiding an attack like this...
 
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