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Renzokuken

Renzokuken

Gay Hawkeye
God Confirm said:
That's fucking a month before the game was released when nobody had even played the characters yet LOL you really gonna take that as the communities response to a character while deliberately ignoring all the stuff from days before release / first couple weeks of release? I guess when you're that wrong you really gotta grasp at straws huh
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How does that thread discredit this though:

"IIRC, people thought he was going to be shit and lame before the game came out, which turned out to be false."

The thread was still pre-release and "waste of slot" was the widely held perception of Jin. Grasping at straws? I don't think so.

I still don't even understand what you were trying to get at with that OP. Kung Jin WAS considered top 5 at the time, esp. when no one really knew the MU against him. Then he got nerfed a month post-release and people learned to fight him. Characters like that naturally fall off of tier lists.
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Renzokuken said:
How does that thread discredit this though:

"IIRC, people thought he was going to be shit and lame before the game came out, which turned out to be false."
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Because it was directly in response to me saying he was considered OP "at release" lol

I still don't even understand what you were trying to get at with that OP. Kung Jin WAS considered top 5 at the time, esp. when no one really knew the MU against him. Then he got nerfed a month post-release and people learned to fight him. Characters like that naturally fall off of tier lists.
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The point is that the communities perception was mistaken so I don't want to see people posting in here arguing incessantly with other people over opinions when anyone could be wrong and we likely all will
 
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looktotheluna

looktotheluna

Noob
I didn't expect such major changes in the beta nearly 12 months into it's shelf life, but don't get me wrong, balancing is fine and some of the characters needed to be addressed. I know it's not final, yet from the looks of it, these changes will most likely stick with maybe a few tweaks here and there on the final release.

However, what gets me is that during one of the past NRS kombat cast's (last patch one I think) a few months back they mentioned that the they were happy with the current state of the game when Tyler and Paulo were talking. To me, MKX is a totally different game now, which is good but it's is bad at the same time. I think most will have to re learn their game plans with certain characters, such as Quan but others like Liu (DF) still keeps his dirt.:confused:
 
Renzokuken

Renzokuken

Gay Hawkeye
God Confirm said:
The point is that the communities perception was mistaken so I don't want to see people posting in here arguing incessantly with other people over opinions when anyone could be wrong and we likely all will
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I really don't believe the community was all that mistaken with its assessment of prepatch Jin since characters like Lao hadn't gotten buffed to top tier status yet and Tanya, Tremor, and Predator hadn't been released yet.

But if that's how you see it, then I'll respect that.
 
oaoo94

oaoo94

Owner of HAZARDOUS Gaming
I honestly do not know who's going to be Top 5 after the XL patch... With the the way things are looking right now in the beta. It can go either way for any character. I feel like every character is going to be on the same level. At least that's what I got from the beta.
 
God Confirm

God Confirm

We're all from Earthrealm. If not, cool pic brah.
Renzokuken said:
I really don't believe the community was all that mistaken with its assessment of prepatch Jin since characters like Lao hadn't gotten buffed to top tier status yet and Tanya, Tremor, and Predator hadn't been released yet.

But if that's how you see it, then I'll respect that.
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screw it, even if im wrong with that example. the point is that it's all speculation at this point and could be wrong, so let's not shit on peoples deliberately speculatory opinions :)
 
CAM THE SAGE

CAM THE SAGE

THERE IS FEAR IN YOUR HEART
God Confirm said:
Selective memory?

It's hard to be a revisionist when it's all still there in writing.


Here's the Kung Jin pre-release thread where Pig of the Hut and many others are saying he's top 5:

http://testyourmight.com/threads/old-kung-jin-pre-release-general-discussion-thread.48607/

here is a few of threads within two weeks of release date, filled with KJ salt:


http://testyourmight.com/threads/hey-guys-kung-jin-can-stuff-wake-up-armor-lolol.50877/

http://testyourmight.com/threads/does-anyone-else-see-kung-jin-as-the-wesker-of-mortal-kombat.51081/

http://testyourmight.com/threads/kung-jin-vortex.50808/ <<< this ones my favourite, people complaining about how OP Ancestral is :D
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If they wouldn't have nerf ed him he would have been top 5
 
Udun

Udun

Noob
I'll put my guesses there as well :D

1. Alien
2. Triborg
3. Scorpion
4. Goro
5. Ferra/Torr
6. Mileena
 
Addhad

Addhad

GOD OF EARTHRELM
Why would they buff Dvorah lol and did they nerf shaolin and Sonya? Because they don't need buffs smh ._.
 
Wetdoba

Wetdoba

All too easy...
Maybe people will be forced to learn the Ferra Torr match up now instead of spreading random misinformation everywhere and then getting bodied for free when they have no idea whats going on or where their gaps are. Fun times ahead :D
 
Ryu Hayabusa

Ryu Hayabusa

Filthy Casual
How is Sub-Zero top 5? he is not even top 10.


He isn't very good in neutral, can't freeze twice in single combo whereas other characters perform same move multiple times in single combo which gives them free hit, juggle or at the very least leaves opponent standing.

Any one with extended reach, AOE attack and fast projectile can get rid of clone very easily and sub-zero has to wait to put out clone again.

some combos don't work against female characters because of their hit-box

He has very limited move-set, you don't have to worry about multiple wakeup options, just block low when sub-zero is down or continue the pressure.
 
Wetdoba

Wetdoba

All too easy...
ESG Jagged said:
he will definitely be top 20 but i doubt he will be that strong, but we really can't tell until we let him rid for a few weeks.
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Ruthless got lots of "little" buffs like making their hard knockdown cancellable and the ability to combo into grab on top of the big buff which was the EX tosses and those little ones will add up. They probably wont be broke but they will be damn damn good. The bandwagon players will only focus on the big stuff, but to people like me or Bio or the other FTs that have been playing them since day one with a years worth of expierience with the character and view the entire game from their perspective those little changes will seem huge since we already know about all the unique situations where they make a big difference

Also Lackey and Vicious buffs means 3 very very good complementary variations
 
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freerf245

freerf245

11 11 11 11
Ryu Hayabusa said:
How is Sub-Zero top 5? he is not even top 10.


He isn't very good in neutral, can't freeze twice in single combo whereas other characters perform same move multiple times in single combo which gives them free hit, juggle or at the very least leaves opponent standing.

Any one with extended reach, AOE attack and fast projectile can get rid of clone very easily and sub-zero has to wait to put out clone again.

some combos don't work against female characters because of their hit-box

He has very limited move-set, you don't have to worry about multiple wakeup options, just block low when sub-zero is down or continue the pressure.
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Heeeeeere we go...
 
EMPRESS_SunFire

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Ryu Hayabusa said:
How is Sub-Zero top 5? he is not even top 10.


He isn't very good in neutral, can't freeze twice in single combo whereas other characters perform same move multiple times in single combo which gives them free hit, juggle or at the very least leaves opponent standing.

Any one with extended reach, AOE attack and fast projectile can get rid of clone very easily and sub-zero has to wait to put out clone again.

some combos don't work against female characters because of their hit-box

He has very limited move-set, you don't have to worry about multiple wakeup options, just block low when sub-zero is down or continue the pressure.
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Lmao.
He is a neutral meta breaker. His clone controls the match against most characters.
His ice ball/EX ice ball trade heavily in his favor against any projectile.
He has 50/50's
He has the best corner game
He has good pokes
He has wake-ups
He has ridiculous jump-ins
The recovery on that slide is pretty dumb

His combos now work against females as well. But he defeats most of the female characters, I don't get why people bitched so much about him not being to do his combos against them. Ugh.
The "just block low when Sub-Zero is down or continue the pressure" is absurd. The same can be said about every character. Wake-ups work as mindgames for everyone.

He was potentialy top 10 pre-beta, he didn't get big nerfs and he got a buff. now he is without a doubt top 10 IMO. maybe even top 5 depending on the final patch.
 
SylverRye

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
In no particular order:

1)A list cage:Character can still fully jail off of 114,333,b34,121 has the almighty low profile every move in the game d4 and has that f3 11 mid that jails on block and can be whiff canceled

2)loop Kang: he got a tap on the wrist, he can still jail f213 (just frame), still builds meter except on meterburn fly kick and b12 is the best armor breaker in the game.

3)Gm sub zero: hes average midscreen but is absolutely ridiculous in the corner,can toss out 50/50s a throw or setup for 49% meterless shatter combos all with a clone in your face.

4)Jax: self explanatory, everyone is getting worse and hes getting much better. Character was never close to being bad and yet he got really solid buffs.

5)Swarm queen dvorah: i always thought she was 7-8 on a top 10 list. Her buff wasn't all that crazy, but having a wakeup now will let her keep a few characters in check, thats all she was missing imo. Albeit its real unsafe, but if your character has no fast armor breaker you'll have to be real cautious.

Just my opinion
 
Ryu Hayabusa

Ryu Hayabusa

Filthy Casual
EMPEROR_SunFire said:
Lmao.
He is a neutral meta breaker.
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He was pre-patch.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
His clone controls the match against most characters.
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Clone doesn't give him ridiculous advantage, all it does is slow down the match and what is sub-zero without a clone? what about the characters who can poke through clone, even if you block clone disappears. You can't even push characters into clone while they are blocking and clone is supposed be unblockable.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
His ice ball/EX ice ball trade heavily in his favor against any projectile.
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Normal version has slow startup, your opponent can stop you and full combo punish if you try it from close range and full screen you eat projectile while your opponent recovers quick enough to black your chip-less projectile. En-iceball would be useful if you can put the clone out while your opponent is frozen.


EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He has 50/50's
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Everyone does.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He has the best corner game
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He had Pre-patch

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He has good pokes
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everyone does

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He has wake-ups
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Block low and you get to punish any wakeup attempt.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He has ridiculous jump-ins
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Not even cryo.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
The recovery on that slide is pretty dumb
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only a scrub like me wouldn't punish it.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
His combos now work against females as well. But he defeats most of the female characters, I don't get why people bitched so much about him not being to do his combos against them. Ugh.
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Turns out it was false news.

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
The "just block low when Sub-Zero is down or continue the pressure" is absurd. The same can be said about every character. Wake-ups work as mindgames for everyone.
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No no no no no

EMPEROR_SunFire said:
He was potentialy top 10 pre-beta, he didn't get big nerfs and he got a buff. now he is without a doubt top 10 IMO. maybe even top 5 depending on the final patch.
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Only on TYM GM Subzero is top 10, cryp isn't even top 45 and unbreakable is strong contender for worst variation in this game.
 
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