Question - Cassie Cage Should EX glow kick launch?

Nope.

ex glow kick should not give you a full combo at close rage because that would be an incredible buffed to cassie cage damage and she would be op with that buffed. she would be able to do b12exbf4 for 40% mid screen. if you goal is to break cassie with one buff making ex glow kick combo at close distance is the way to go.

cassie it is losing some of her options now that she doesn't have armor on flip kick but she is still good. the only thing i would change now that she is losing the amor on flip kick is to give her back the 2% damage she lost mid screen but leave the conner damage as it is now.

Evil_Riu48 said:

ex glow kick should not give you a full combo at close rage because that would be an incredible buffed to cassie cage damage and she would be op with that buffed. she would be able to do b12exbf4 for 40% mid screen. if you goal is to break cassie with one buff making ex glow kick combo at close distance is the way to go.

cassie it is losing some of her options now that she doesn't have armor on flip kick but she is still good. the only thing i would change now that she is losing the amor on flip kick is to give her back the 2% damage she lost mid screen but leave the conner damage as it is now.

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That would not be OP. And you don't know what the damage would be so stop making things up to try and prove a point. Obviously they would have to add damage scaling to EX Glow Kick so that she wouldn't have crazy damage. And for the love of god, it doesn't have to keep the person standing by the first hit if that's what you're implying; they could make it so that the first hit of glow kick launches, Cassie then dives downwards then the opponent is left mid-air in a juggle state. The whole point would be to allow her to spend a bar of meter for like 35% midscreen. That is NOT broken. It just allows her to spend meter for more damaging combos - something which the vast majority of the cast can do.

Scott The Scot said:

That would not be OP. And you don't know what the damage would be so stop making things up to try and prove a point. Obviously they would have to add damage scaling to EX Glow Kick so that she wouldn't have crazy damage. And for the love of god, it doesn't have to keep the person standing by the first hit if that's what you're implying; they could make it so that the first hit of glow kick launches, Cassie then dives downwards then the opponent is left mid-air in a juggle state. The whole point would be to allow her to spend a bar of meter for like 35% midscreen. That is NOT broken. It just allows her to spend meter for more damaging combos - something which the vast majority of the cast can do.

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Do you think if EX glow kick launched and NRS allowed a flip kick relaunch that'd be too much damage?

Honestly, I would be ok with an unsafe EX flip so I can make Kung Lao like reads or anti air bad jumps for some actual damage and pressure. I usually forget to spend a meter on my 50/50 attempt lol. And if I was really scared isn't the full glow kick over head string safe? Not the Hollywood specific one.

I've always played a character that has to get around projectiles in fighting games, so the brawler struggle is nothing new to me. The only bad part is NRS gave no real way to deal with them. I can't go through them, I can get them out of the way, I just have to maneuver around them which is especially difficult when NRS makes projectiles so good. And yes the projectiles in this game are good, at least for the zoners.

Anyone feel the gap in the b2 string is usable like the gap in teh b124 string? Or is it so obvious when to armor you're just asking to be armored like Kotal Kahn cancelling into ex disc?

buyacushun said:

Do you think if EX glow kick launched and NRS allowed a flip kick relaunch that'd be too much damage?

Honestly, I would be ok with an unsafe EX flip so I can make Kung Lao like reads or anti air bad jumps for some actual damage and pressure. I usually forget to spend a meter on my 50/50 attempt lol. And if I was really scared isn't the full glow kick over head string safe? Not the Hollywood specific one.

I've always played a character that has to get around projectiles in fighting games, so the brawler struggle is nothing new to me. The only bad part is NRS gave no real way to deal with them. I can't go through them, I can get them out of the way, I just have to maneuver around them which is especially difficult when NRS makes projectiles so good. And yes the projectiles in this game are good, at least for the zoners.

Anyone feel the gap in the b2 string is usable like the gap in teh b124 string? Or is it so obvious when to armor you're just asking to be armored like Kotal Kahn cancelling into ex disc?

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I don't. You'd have the scaling from Ex Glow Kick then ontop of that the scaling of Flip (which was increased in recent patches). I think they could make it work nicely.

I always use EX Flip to be safe, since I'm doing a 50/50 that leads to lower than average damage and if I get punished I'll be hit with more than what I could output probably. That's how I think of it anyway, I neeeeed safeness lol. It's all I spend meter on really. F3,3 is -8 on block at point blank range and leaves her in a standing state.

I think walk and block is your best friend, dude. I never stuggle playing Brawler - sure there's less options and you have to play their game at full screen but that's the nature of Brawler

Maybe, B212 is safe so why not?

Scott The Scot said:

I don't. You'd have the scaling from Ex Glow Kick then ontop of that the scaling of Flip (which was increased in recent patches). I think they could make it work nicely.

I always use EX Flip to be safe, since I'm doing a 50/50 that leads to lower than average damage and if I get punished I'll be hit with more than what I could output probably. That's how I think of it anyway, I neeeeed safeness lol. It's all I spend meter on really. F3,3 is -8 on block at point blank range and leaves her in a standing state.

I think walk and block is your best friend, dude. I never stuggle playing Brawler - sure there's less options and you have to play their game at full screen but that's the nature of Brawler

Maybe, B212 is safe so why not?

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I forgot they nerfed her damage by making flip scale more. I just remembered she did less damage. And I never thought about the risk/reward like that. Not that I never saw a good reason to EX flip on a 50/50 attempt but just never thought of the fact she has to hit more. I always thought of Cassie a neutral type character who just so happens to have a 50/50 and thus is affected on several levels design wise because of it. Might just be the way I play but I'd take the armored AA into combo over the safe 50/50. Which I guess means I'd be for EX glow kick giving a combo from the first hit.

-8 isn't too bad. Usable in some MUs.

Of course that's what I do. But if you're going to tell me you don't struggle facing the zoning of the likes of Shinnok, Lui Kang and such then I doubt they are challenging you that much. I'm hoping the EX BF3 gives them a nice reason to be scared mid range.

Quickest way to make a character community ready to lob everyone's nuts off...

Take away invincibility/armor from a combo starter.

Schuyler said:

Since cassie looses armor on her EX flip kick in the beta why not make her other armor option launch? I feel that her loosing her EX flip kick isn't that that big of a nerf but at the same time it wasn't needed either.Out of the characters that have safe armored launchers how come she had to be the one that looses hers? She wasn't really broken and flip kick is still very useful don't get me wrong , but lets make her bf4 launch that way she has an unsafe armored launcher. I just think its a kinda good idea. I wouldn't really call it a buff cause its worse than the original ex flip kick but it still kinda gives her a nerf.

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hell to the no. the reason that she had to loose her safe armoured launcher was because it was the fastest fucking move in the game, it was safe, and it launched. maybe if her nut punch didn't have invincibility frames then I could see justifying giving her another armoured launcher to replace it but given her toolset I think she's just fine without it. the only other safe armoured launcher that exists now is tremor's crystalline one as far as I'm aware so I don't know who else you were referring to when you said "out of the characters that have safe armoured launchers how come she had to be the one to loose hers?".

buyacushun said:

I forgot they nerfed her damage by making flip scale more. I just remembered she did less damage. And I never thought about the risk/reward like that. Not that I never saw a good reason to EX flip on a 50/50 attempt but just never thought of the fact she has to hit more. I always thought of Cassie a neutral type character who just so happens to have a 50/50 and thus is affected on several levels design wise because of it. Might just be the way I play but I'd take the armored AA into combo over the safe 50/50. Which I guess means I'd be for EX glow kick giving a combo from the first hit.

-8 isn't too bad. Usable in some MUs.

Of course that's what I do. But if you're going to tell me you don't struggle facing the zoning of the likes of Shinnok, Lui Kang and such then I doubt they are challenging you that much. I'm hoping the EX BF3 gives them a nice reason to be scared mid range.

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Anybody with a 7 frame move can punish it. Definitely safe in some MU's which is good. (Ab)Usable in some MUs such as Erron, Jason, Goro, Kano, and others that I can't be bothered going through lol. I'm only counting people who aren't able to full combo punish it. However the low option is always going to be -16.

I'm not saying there's no struggle and it's super easy. I just mean that they can't keep Cassie out for ever. Once you're in B1 range with Liu, if he throws a fireball he has basically lost his turn. Pressure time.

Characters become incredibly good with solely one move has all three of these things: 5frames, armor, unpunishable. Any move with all three of those is too strong of a move, so I'd say 1 of the three is essential, two of the three is good, and all three is broken.

Tanya was the same thing with her ex teleport. I think it would have been better to have Cassie's flip kick be like 10-12f but still have armor and be safe. But welcome to the all offense not as good defense club! #D'vorahAndTakedaProblems

Scott The Scot said:

That would not be OP. And you don't know what the damage would be so stop making things up to try and prove a point. Obviously they would have to add damage scaling to EX Glow Kick so that she wouldn't have crazy damage. And for the love of god, it doesn't have to keep the person standing by the first hit if that's what you're implying; they could make it so that the first hit of glow kick launches, Cassie then dives downwards then the opponent is left mid-air in a juggle state. The whole point would be to allow her to spend a bar of meter for like 35% midscreen. That is NOT broken. It just allows her to spend meter for more damaging combos - something which the vast majority of the cast can do.

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i am not making things up cassie can do 39% from her ex glow kick if she hits you in her way down that works now. i just answer the question in this thread which is ''should cassie get a full combo from ex glow kick'' .... the question do not say anything about ex glow kick getting more damage scaling to it

if ex glow kick gets more damage scaling i guess it will not be a bad buff. i would love to do 35% for a bar so that i don't have to use 2 bars in brawler to do 38% mid screen anymore but we already can do 32% mid screen for a bar now so it would not be a big change

Evil_Riu48 said:

i am not making things up cassie can do 39% from her ex glow kick if she hits you in her way down that works now. i just answer the question in this thread which is ''should cassie get a full combo from ex glow kick'' .... the question do not say anything about ex glow kick getting more damage scaling to it

if ex glow kick gets more damage scaling i guess it will not be a bad buff. i would love to do 35% for a bar so that i don't have to use 2 bars in brawler to do 38% mid screen anymore but we already can do 33% mid screen for a bar now so it would not be a big change

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Fair enough then, I shouldn't have jumped the gun and make an assumption. Apologies.

Scott The Scot said:

Fair enough then, I shouldn't have jumped the gun and make an assumption. Apologies.

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Yeah you better apologize you fucking cabbage.

Scott The Scot said:

I'm not saying there's no struggle and it's super easy. I just mean that they can't keep Cassie out for ever. Once you're in B1 range with Liu, if he throws a fireball he has basically lost his turn. Pressure time.

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And that's the part that sucks for me cause for any projectile user where that's the issue, the good ones just don't throw fireballs and use whatever other quick offensive thing they got, or good walkspeed or something else lol. There's no real reason to do it from B1 space so they don't. But I don't want to derail this but it was nice talking about cassie with you.

buyacushun said:

And that's the part that sucks for me cause for any projectile user where that's the issue, the good ones just don't throw fireballs and use whatever other quick offensive thing they got, or good walkspeed or something else lol. There's no real reason to do it from B1 space so they don't. But I don't want to derail this but it was nice talking about cassie with you.

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Any time man. Nice seeing other perspective on the issue of balance etc.

I am just going to say yes because I am a Cassie main and I wanna be as braindead as Tanya players.
Yes.

ExGlowKick should not launch, first hit should stun and second should cancel into combo as it always was.

That being said, I think ex-flip nerf is sh*t, they should have taken away pushback and make it punishable.

A F0xy Grampa said:

Air guns do 7%, let's use Lao for an example, he can sit there throw his hat and guide it for basically no execution and trade his own 7% and get a knock down if they trade.

Kitana can catch a grounded fan. Gets knockdown and zoning advantage.

Mileena can Low Sai. Gets knockdown and zoning advantage.

Shinnok wins a trade by 1% in bone shaper.

Ronin Takeda has multiple options. Blade drop/call should be good for these situations.

Ferra Toss > Guns

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I know this is an extremely old thread. Lol, but Cassie's insta guns comes out so quickly it stops all zoning, even forcing opponents like GM sub to come in on you.(Guns go right through clone hitting sub zero instantly if he tries to throw ice ball, or if he tries to throw clone at you) So a lot of people do end up respecting you air guns once they realize you can't counter zone because her guns just stop your zoning.

I had a hish que ten predator trying to zone me for about 20 seconds of my air guns stopping his lazers instantly on the startup, he was forced ran up on up me because his lazers were being stopped clean on startup. Prime example, hish que ten one of the best zoners in mkx had to run up on Cassie.

The fact that her guns do 7% damage has nothing to do with it, its that it stops zoning completely.

Mileena and Liu kang can be annoying with their low projectiles because they duck with them, but you can hop over that and if you use ex air guns the third shot is a mid and it will hit them. Kinda pointless though. But you can run up after that.

I say Let it launch, why not. I guess other can hate on her cuz they salty.

I purpose a trade:

• Make EX Nutpunch not invulnerable.

and then

• Make EX Glow Kick Launch.

Thats a fair trade. some times you have to give a little to get a little.

How about we just get rid of invincibility on EX nut punch and call it a day?