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New Netcode: Does online now reflect Skill?

For the longest time, the staple for the Competitive scene has been that Online wins don't hold weight next to offline sets & tournament matches. This is generally when referring to the skill level of someone in relation to their peers. However, with MKX & the beginning of ESL it became the norm in conversation to bring up a player's ESL placings when ranking them on Best to Worst lists. It seemed rather odd considering a large portion of the competitive scene would often complain about online issues after each ESL event. However this is neither here nor there and that hypocrisy is overlooked.

Come March 1st, MKX's Season 2 DLC will become available and they will be ushering in an updated & more efficient Net Code. All over the MKX Beta has received strong praise from players of assorted skill levels. They're able to react, punish and land their tight link combos almost as easily as if they were offline.

So the question will then become, with Online receiving it's face list so to speak, will there be a shift in the previous mentality? Will losing a FT10 set against a player or a Tournament Match in an online setting become grounds to raise/lower someone's rank? With everything one is able to do in the beta, I would think so; it will be interesting to see what the 'rule of thumb' will be going forward.
 
Online always reflected skill and adaptation. Offline is playing football in a dome. Online was playing at Lambeau in a gusting blizzard with Raiders fans hurling batteries at you. Online, the environment had a good chance of costing you a poke, combo or match for either player. Offline it doesn't.

In fact I believe the players who could succeed in the old online and offline are S+ tier. Offline only S tier. Online only B tier.
 

Airvidal

"You play weird" It's called being unorthodox ;)
However good online is, it still isn't offline. KI's Evo Champ Rico doesn't even compete in KI online tournaments because he doesn't think it means as much.
I don't understand how you, a player that doesn't compete offline at all and only plays online would say this.

To answer the OP's question, I think that if the final netcode is as good as KI's(which is just amazing), then an online set should hold a lot of weight.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
There will always be that "i would have won if it was offline" option select from most people because its an easy excuse to run to no matter how good the netcode is. I played someone yesterday and in 46 ping i won and got the "my moves wouldn't come out" excuse from the player.. BUT, if paired with people with good connections, i feel that playing online now will really show the players skill.

In short, online will never be as good as offline, but this is damn close.. close enough that every person ive played (that is good) can properly react, aa and use their fully optimized tech. You could legit win a set in some really good connections in the beta and that would most likely have ended the same way offline.
 
For the longest time, the staple for the Competitive scene has been that Online wins don't hold weight next to offline sets & tournament matches. This is generally when referring to the skill level of someone in relation to their peers. However, with MKX & the beginning of ESL it became the norm in conversation to bring up a player's ESL placings when ranking them on Best to Worst lists. It seemed rather odd considering a large portion of the competitive scene would often complain about online issues after each ESL event. However this is neither here nor there and that hypocrisy is overlooked.

Come March 1st, MKX's Season 2 DLC will become available and they will be ushering in an updated & more efficient Net Code. All over the MKX Beta has received strong praise from players of assorted skill levels. They're able to react, punish and land their tight link combos almost as easily as if they were offline.

So the question will then become, with Online receiving it's face list so to speak, will there be a shift in the previous mentality? Will losing a FT10 set against a player or a Tournament Match in an online setting become grounds to raise/lower someone's rank? With everything one is able to do in the beta, I would think so; it will be interesting to see what the 'rule of thumb' will be going forward.
Well, if it's as good as people say it is, it reflects your knowledge of the game. I think playing in a tournament outside of your comfort zone, next to a player can effect decision making.
 
There is online skill and there is offline skill.

Even if online had no lag it would still not be the same as offline at a tourney because you're sitting at home eating cheetos and jackin it in your own comfort.
offline at a tourney you have smelly gamers, people yelling and they can't be muted,
the pressure of tons of people criticizing everything you do and when you make a mistake you look stupid ect...

So unless you're somehow a robot like REO then online will never be like offline even if there is 0 lag.
 

Airvidal

"You play weird" It's called being unorthodox ;)
Ok and that's exactly what I said. So why are quoting me offended about me not playing offline
I'm not offended but you quoted your idol Rico as "proof" that online gameplay wouldn't matter no matter how good the netcode is as if his words are fact. I say you're the one that got offended by what I said about you not playing offline, and guess what, I just stated a fact.
 

Zyphox

What is going on guys, Ya Boi Zyphox here.
i will say that starting off as an online player and transitioning to offline, the new netcode will now allow players a smoother transition into offline gameplay at tournaments. the only thing that would be missing for an online player that they could never theoretically get is the presence you feel when you play next to someone, and it makes a difference. but now more than ever players with little to no scene can now get the MU knowledge and develop the skills to compete offline in NRS games like never before and i'm exited.

its also good for offline players too, i get to play against players that don't get the "OMG its top player" syndrome that some players may get when they sit down and play someone in real life. i know for me it was a factor when i first started competing and that can influence play offline. i've been beaten alot recently in the beta, not that i'm option selecting but playing you when i'm comfortable and you're not is an advantage top players take for granted sometimes. no longer can i rely on making reads based on body language, when it comes to online i have to adapt. i feel as though i have been relying on making body language reads too much and i need to take a step back and pick up on in game tendencies without that aid.
 

B. Shazzy

NRS shill #42069
I'm not offended but you quoted your idol Rico as "proof" that online gameplay wouldn't matter no matter how good the netcode is as if his words are fact. I say you're the one that got offended by what I said about you not playing offline, and guess what, I just stated a fact.
Lol you were clearly offended. You start an argument over some nonsense about me, then agree that what I originally said was right. Now you're turning it into something weird.

I brought up Rico because A. KI's netcode is the best and B. Rico is best KI player of the game with the best netcode. I think he would be a reliable source. He's not the only top player who realizes online isn't offline, in fact it doesn't take a top player to realize something so evident.

I'm not offended but you quoted your idol Rico as "proof" that online gameplay wouldn't matter no matter how good the netcode is as if his words are fact.
Ya, go ahead and re-read what I said.

I say you're the one that got offended by what I said about you not playing offline, and guess what, I just stated a fact.
Yes, I'm offended now that you're making me argue over this tbh
 
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Airvidal

"You play weird" It's called being unorthodox ;)
Lol you were clearly offended. You start an argument over some nonsense about me, then agree that what I originally said was right. Now you're turning it into something weird.

I brought up Rico because A. KI's netcode is the best and B. Rico is best KI player of the game with the best netcode. He's not the only top player who realizes this, in fact it doesn't take a top player to realize something so evident.



Ya, go ahead and re-read what I said.



Yes, I'm offended now that you're making me argue over this tbh
This is nonesense. Now I understand why I always hear people telling me to just ignore you. Peace brah.