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Match-Up Discussion - Kano Kano's Ruthless Matchup Discussion Thread

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
I actually think it could be. You're not going to win the zoning war as Cyber, may as well try and slow his pressure down as much as you can with parries.

Against Liu Kang? I disagree. I think Commando does better in this matchup the same way it does better against Tempest, better at slowing down pressure.
I thought this was the cassie thread lol. But I actually think cyber might do better. Mid knives can at least contest his zoning, the parties are so-so considering liu has great mid and low starters (unlike vs for instance JC where you can yolo parry mid/high for days). But I haven't played this MU much
 

gibster13

A fan of fans
I actually think it could be. You're not going to win the zoning war as Cyber, may as well try and slow his pressure down as much as you can with parries.

Against Liu Kang? I disagree. I think Commando does better in this matchup the same way it does better against Tempest, better at slowing down pressure.
Trust me and go no variation :D

It is green and when you break a combo with Kano , the green sparks animation is beautiful.

I think commando is a better zoner then both variations (hard to say with cyber) in some aspects. It has the better knives and also the godlike b1. So I agree with commando as the change.
 

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Trust me and go no variation :D

It is green and when you break a combo with Kano , the green sparks animation is beautiful.

I think commando is a better zoner then both variations (hard to say with cyber) in some aspects. It has the better knives and also the godlike b1. So I agree with commando as the change.
Choke is a godlike anti air. Only 11% but beats jump ins that b1 won't
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
I thought this was the cassie thread lol. But I actually think cyber might do better. Mid knives can at least contest his zoning, the parties are so-so considering liu has great mid and low starters (unlike vs for instance JC where you can yolo parry mid/high for days). But I haven't played this MU much
But trying to counterzone isn't worth it because you lose that trade every time. If you're going to contest his zoning you may as well use Commando or even Cutthroat since the knives in those variations do more damage. If you don't want to contest his zoning then you can just instant air ball over the low on reaction or duck under and advance against instant air fireball. The point of the parries are to slow down his pressure, even just the threat of them is enough to make them hesitant and that gives you an opening. If you're right that's almost 20% meterless in Commando compared to mid 20s for a bar in any variation. It's not as easy to find an opening with the other two imo.
 

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
But trying to counterzone isn't worth it because you lose that trade every time. If you're going to contest his zoning you may as well use Commando or even Cutthroat since the knives in those variations do more damage. If you don't want to contest his zoning then you can just instant air ball over the low on reaction or duck under and advance against instant air fireball. The point of the parries are to slow down his pressure, even just the threat of them is enough to make them hesitant and that gives you an opening. If you're right that's almost 20% meterless in Commando compared to mid 20s for a bar in any variation. It's not as easy to find an opening with the other two imo.
Yeah I hate this MU but at least he can't low profile your mid knives with his low fireball iirc. Commando is probably stronger though as you say. The fear of parties also opens them for reversal command grab so they can't abuse slight plus frames
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
Commando loses 3-7(maybe worse) to Dragon's Fire Liu Kang, it's a doodoo MU. Your best chance is picking Cutthroat and going ham against Liu's slow pokes and shitty armor attacks outside of Flame Fist, but then again you can just D4 your way to victory against FF.
 
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Jowabunga

Woooooooooooooo!
To preface this... I'm not a Kano player, but I've played thousands of matches vs. Kano (95% Cybernetic) since a buddy of mine and I picked up the game in July. Yeah, thousands... as in probably 3-4 by now. Fast-forward 5 months - I've now got pretty decent experience with a handful of different characters (Goro, Predator, Jason, Raiden, Scorpion, and Liu Kang)... but my buddy still plays Cybernetic almost exclusively. I know the matchups like the back of my hand and have had a lot of success against Kano across all the chars I've played, with winrates ranging from the 50s to as high as an 80% at times.

With that in mind, I'm posting here not looking for advice on how to play against Kano, but for perspectives on the worst matchups against the character. Truth be told, because I've had to play him so much I'm sick to death of facing him. Haha. I've asked (implored) my bud to try learning some different chars so we can have more diverse gameplay but so far he hasn't bothered. I'm hoping with your help I can find the worst possible matchup, learn that character, and whip him so bad he feels compelled to finally learn a different character. :joker: Any thoughts?
 
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Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
To preface this... I'm not a Kano player, but I've played thousands of matches vs. Kano (95% Cybernetic) since a buddy of mine and I picked up the game in July. Yeah, thousands... as in probably 3-4 by now. Fast-forward 5 months - I've now got pretty decent experience with a handful of different characters (Goro, Predator, Jason, Raiden, Scorpion, and Liu Kang)... but my buddy still plays Cybernetic almost exclusively. I know the matchups like the back of my hand and have had a lot of success against Kano across all the chars I've played, with winrates ranging from the 50s to as high as an 80% at times.

With that in mind, I'm posting here not looking for advice on how to play against Kano, but for perspectives on the worst matchups against the character. Truth be told, because I've had to play him so much I'm sick to death of facing him. Haha. I've asked (implored) my bud to try learning some different chars so we can have more diverse gameplay but so far he hasn't bothered. I'm hoping with your help I can find the worst possible matchup, learn that character, and whip him so bad he feels compelled to finally learn a different character. :joker: Any thoughts?
I mean Predator, Scorpion and Liu Kang already do well against him, but Quan, Lao, Tanya, Mileena, Ermac and Shinnok also do well against him.
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Commando gets bopped against GM Sub. Essentially any character who can't stop clones out of strings on block is helpless against him. That's why Cyber is a good choice for that MU.

Against Liu Kang, fireballs are no doubt a problem as they low-profile knives and jumping to scout an air ball opportunity is risky because of his shit jump. Parries are inherently worse against a character who has a good low starter as well as mids, and Commando gets out-footsied against Liu.
 

Jowabunga

Woooooooooooooo!
Thanks for the input. Wasn't sure if there were any 7-3ish matchups in this bunch but doesn't seem like there are. My Liu Kang isn't the best as I can't execute quite well enough to maintain the pressure that char is known for but I think I need to pull him back out and try again.
 

thlityoursloat

kick kick
People still play Commando while Sun God exists?
Lmao Sun God is the cheese. Better pressure and better damage than Commando. Kotal's footsie normals are on par so objectively, SG blows Commando out of the water.
NRS, just please give us a B1 and B13 tick throw.
 

Jupe

Noob
Does kano have any other ways to punish War God Kotal's overhead sword (non ex) than instant air ball and cyber ex knives? I cannot get the instant air ball consistently enough to use that because the blockstun of the sword is so huge and would be cool to be able to punish him meterless even for few % and get frame advantage. 21% for 1 bar that I can get from ex knives isn't too much either, but at least I get him full screen again.
 
Does kano have any other ways to punish War God Kotal's overhead sword (non ex) than instant air ball and cyber ex knives? I cannot get the instant air ball consistently enough to use that because the blockstun of the sword is so huge and would be cool to be able to punish him meterless even for few % and get frame advantage. 21% for 1 bar that I can get from ex knives isn't too much either, but at least I get him full screen again.
Run f4, but hard though.