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Best Grappler in MKX?

Pterodactyl

Pterodactyl

Plus on block.
mkl said:
Sun God's one of the only grapplers that has advantages that outweigh the disadvantages of the archetype in MKX. His raw damage is incredible (half life for a bar + level 3) and he has access to level 3 whenever he wants (converting it to meter/health whenever he wants as well). When this already great command grab setup is added to a character with a light speed run, a jump attack that out prioritizes 99% of the anti-airs in the game, and footsies second to none-- you have an extremely well rounded grappler. Sure, he has bad matchups but what grappler doesn't?
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Honestly Sun God is the only right answer.


Even from an archetypal standpoint, every other "Grappler" but Wrestler Jax and Commando Kano aren't even fucking grapplers. They're just characters who happen to have a command grab in their toolset and none of the other traits that come with being a grappler and don't follow that playstyle.
 
DarkSomethinG

DarkSomethinG

Noob
Wetdoba said:
Sun God is definitely best overall. Lackey has most range on grab but he can only tick throw off d1 and d3. Kotal has all those tick throws plus B1 and B14. The thing that hands down makes kotal best though is the fact that his grab leaves the opponent right next to him, hkd, with enough advantage to continue pressure. Even at level 3 when he throws them farther away kotals run speed and fast long reaching buttons allow him to still stay on top of them. Lackey throws you full screen and is only plus 8 so I have to spend all 8 frames just trying to catch back up to them with my slow ass run. Also Kotal has anti airs without spending meter for armor which feels way more authwntic grappler than FT who has to spend meter to stop people from jumping all day, after that the best anti air we have is a low poke because NRS logic. Really wish Lackey had like Grundys anyi air throw. No combo, just hkd with advantage
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that is not the point,lackey don't really have to be close to the opponent,he is good upclose but he is better at outranging his opponents and whiff punish them,and slowly pushing them into the corner where most of the cast can't even do much without jumping or using an inteructable.he really really really lacks an antiair move and that's sad cause without meter,jump arround mode is enabled and thats the only reason that keeps lackey so low in the tier list...
for me lackey is a better grappler but sun god may be a better overall char,although i'd prefer war god any day.
 
buyacushun

buyacushun

Normalize grab immunity.
I would go with Jax or Kotal for actual grapplers. They have good buttons, good tick throws, get some setups off of their grabs. Jax can choose the side his opponent is on, Kotal can either end combos with level 3 choke or AA grab to pick sides.

I'd put Kano at a runner up but Kano players don't like Kano so I don't know lol.

Everyone says Jason is fun but that he also sucks. Basically Kano players with silver linings.

All the other command grabs throw your opponent not only fullscreen, but on the other side. So you get close and pressure and get a read just to start over. Personally I hate that.

Here's some numbers and thoughts
buyacushun said:
Jason gets 14& and 19% with barely any advantage AND switches sides with his DUCKABLE throw. 13% and 19% on his regular command grab with maybe less, maybe more advantage, switches sides, and throws the opponent even further away from Jason.

Jax gets 14% and 18% (without the last part) on his command grab, I can't tell how much advantage he gets.

Cassie gets 13% and side switches with barely advantage. Oh hers is duckable also. Can't EX it.

Erron Black gets 13% and 19% with no advantage and if you MB it you are basically fullscreen.

I think Kano, Jason or f/T might have the most damaging true command grabs at 19 maybe 20%.

8% more than a throw on a guess/read ain't good damage.
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OzzFoxx

OzzFoxx

Hardcore gaming poser.
Can anyone explain to me exactly what constitutes a "tick" throw and how best to use them in your overall game?
 
MsMiharo

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
Best character with a command grab?

Probably Erron Black or Sun God Kotal.


Character that makes best use of their command grab?

Probably Sun God. Good ticks, crazy damage when used as an ender, can gain life by sacrificing the charges giving it more use than just the grab.


Best actual grab?

Lackey F/T. Their grab has crazy reach and can be EX'd to control which way it goes.



Worst overall?

Commando Kano. The most true grappler is also the worst because command grabs suck in MKX. Few ticks, doesn't get huge damage like Kotal. Good for repositioning and most damage in the game but doesn't make up for the fact that his damage output is trash compared to other grapplers. No wait I forgot, Jason is in this game.
 
Groove Heaven

Groove Heaven

Jobber-baron
Ones that I think are good:
Sun God Kotal
any Erron Black
Wrestler Jax

Bad:
Brawler Cassie
Commando Kano

I know nothing about:
F/T
Jason
 
U

Undergroundepict

I am like the blue rose
Obviously Sun God and Wrestler Jax already got some love. Wrestler is best, IMO, just because Jax is a pretty strong character in general.

Goro has a very good command grab, even if his tic throw options are limited (b3 and one of his pokes, can't recall which). His grab does decent damage and has only 8 frames of startup.
 
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