EGLDallas10K Apology and Final Thoughts from the Owner

I feel bad for the dude but in simple terms. You know how upset you are with sponsors/companies not paying you money that you were verbally agreed to? If Verizon sent you a "sorry letter" it wouldn't fix things.

This is how the players are unfortunately going to perceive this. You're mad at people for not allocating funds and they are mad at EGL for the same

Not sure why the actual "apology" wasn't in paragraph 1 instead it was all the way near the bottom of the read after a lot of fluff per se.

That's my big gripe...

Well, I will give him one thing. At least he came to place where he knew he would be shunned, and hated and apologized. That takes guts.

People are not asking for this man to be homeless. They are asking him to do the right thing and pay out the remaining owed to the winners. In his apology he talks about how he is tapped out and cannot pay out the contestants but then goes to say he wants to get back involved with the FGC. He's asking for your forgiveness by presenting this sob story and at the same time expecting the people wronged to accept the fact they will not get paid.

If you filed for bankruptcy and cant pay out the contestants, fine. But don't come here looking for sympathy and everyone to welcome you back so that they can trust you again. He would have been better off not even apologizing. And if he was going to apologize he should have at least said he will try to pay out the contestants when he can since he loves the FGC so much. Show it.

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Ditto.

This is a shit situation where nobody wins.
He's obviously not gonna magic prize money out of his asshole.

Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
That's the BIG life lesson here for Shane.

LeftOverShark said:

Well, I will give him one thing. At least he came to place where he knew he would be shunned, and hated and apologized. That takes guts.

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Maybe i'm a sociopath, but i'm pretty sure it takes no guts, will, etc to say anything on the internet.

Tweedy said:

Maybe i'm a sociopath, but i'm pretty sure it takes no guts, will, etc to say anything on the internet.

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true, but it was not something he was required to do. He could have just hid in a hole for the rest of his life and this event just blow over, but at least he apologized. Not saying that its a way to repay the winners of EGL, but it is something.

Played a video game, didnt get paid, now off with his head. First world problems. .

If I was owed money from someone who is not a friend nor family member, an apology means nothing unless it's wrapped in hundred dollar bills.

On one hand I can understand the apology isn't enough and the needing that money you are owed but at the same time the man is out for the count and is already paying dearly for it, he literally has NOTHING, how is he supposed to pay one back when he doesn't have the funds to do so? This is since loan shark shit, hell even for those that didn't get payed why is it such a problem that a man who is down and out for the count can't pay you money even though you clearly have enough money? Yeah plane tickets are expensive as fuck and I get it is frustrating to not be able to pay those with the money you earned but at the same time these are tournaments for a video game and demanding money seems like a very greedy and selfish way to go, it is clear that you are no longer in it for the game and just in it for the money, which is not how anything like this should be treated, going to tournaments isn't a full time job, it is a hobby, something one does for the love of doing it, it is expensive and yeah because of the lack of payout you might not be able to go to as many tournaments as soon but it tends to be able the experience, and why shouldn't it be? These tournaments are for improving, competition, and most of all fun. Hell if you are just doing this for the money, I don't think you should be doing it at all, but then again who gives a shit what I think, I'm a random scrub on the internet, feel free to ignore me, I have no validity to my name, I'm just a man that loves video games, nothing more nothing less.

I don't think anyone goes to a tournament expecting to win and pay rent or bills or whatever. But if they promise money and don't follow through that's kinda whack. That's like winning the lottery and then they tell you they can't pay you.

I feel like people need some perspective here.

First off, death threats are never warranted. Never. They accomplish nothing and prove nothing. Also, it should go without saying that actually murdering or harming this fellow is out of the question. That is all that needs to be said there.

Second, the "it's a video game lawlz, stahp being srs owl" nonsense needs to freaking stop. We all get this is a video game. And if it was simply a matter of people playing video games for fun, then you all would be perfectly in the money (pun intended). But it isn't about casual gaming. A contest was proposed, prizes were advertised and promised and then what actually amounts to a legal and valid agreement between officiator and competitor was defaulted upon. That is what happened here. The fact the medium was video games means nothing. It could've been football teams, actual fighters, poker players or orators and debaters, to name a few other media. A competition was advertised and then it wasn't followed through upon. Now, the extent to which any cheated competitor wishes to pursue their missing prize money is what will determine their action. They could press for legal grounds and try to pursue a case. They could reach out and try to make an agreement upon a payment plan. Or they could just chalk it up to a horse sh!t situation and decide that what money they were obliged isn't worth the effort. All of these are valid paths and a few other options do exist. But whether people pursue any of these options is entirely and validly up to them. And the fact that this competition revolved around a video game should have absolutely zero influence upon whether these people pursue what they are justly owed.

In summation: death threats are useless, people are owed money and I hope a vocal faction within this thread are never called to serve on a jury or to preside in any capacity where what people are owed is being decided.

Pig Of The Hut said:

Oh and in no way will it, I enjoy the debate and discussions on topics like this - it's how we can grow.

Ill say this, I was in a situation where I took someone to court and won. They didnt have the funds that were awarded to me in 2006, to prevent bankruptcy in agreement w the courts my lawyer and I pushed for an "allowance" to be paid until full sum was paid out.

This young man accepted this to avoid bankruptcy and I was paid over the course of two years in monthly installments. After 2008 passed I had received full payment from the defendant and he was saved from bankruptcy completely.

I suggest this route be carried out by all parties involved legally

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There is no way to avoid bankruptcy, he filed well over a month ago. The business no longer exists so there would be no one to pay the funds incrementally. You also have to consider the fact that there are over 20 people still owed money, so any allowance system would likely take 5 or more years to get everyone paid. This solution most likely would not work for this situation.

This is not a situation were there were no consequences. He lost his job, his business, and had to file for bankruptcy. Plus the chance of him being involved in the FGC in the future is slim to none. Is it a just or fair situation? No, but to say there were no consequences is a bit of a stretch.

Right now the best bet to get some people paid is through the cR stream tomorrow, which everyone should check out. People should also think about starting a gofundme because I know I personally would be happy to donate what I can. Taking legal action will most likely just waste more time and money and make the situation even worse for all those involved.

Edit: Just to be clear, I agree that Shane should at least talk with Cowboy and others and try to come to an agreement. If there is any possible way for him to pay, he should. I'm just not sure there is anything he can do right now.

The PantyChrist said:

I don't think anyone goes to a tournament expecting to win and pay rent or bills or whatever. But if they promise money and don't follow through that's kinda whack. That's like winning the lottery and then they tell you they can't pay you.

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I hope you're not comparing the skill of someone like Woundcowboy, to winning the lottery.

I know people are downplaying video games, and whatever, some fair points can be made, but a lot of people could dedicate their entire life to this game, and still not be nearly as good as Wound, DJT, Sonicfox. You have to respect the talent and hard work.

The PantyChrist said:

I don't think anyone goes to a tournament expecting to win and pay rent or bills or whatever. But if they promise money and don't follow through that's kinda whack. That's like winning the lottery and then they tell you they can't pay you.

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Why do you think that? If you were confident in your abilities, why wouldn't you go with the expectation of winning and using the money for things you need?

A buddy of mine got out of the Marines a couple of years back. He came home and we all got together to welcome him back. With him was a fellow Marine who got out about a year earlier and went to pick him up and bring him home. So friends and I met new old Marine and got to chatting with him. He fell in instantly with our group. We were going back and forth about a myriad of topics when finally fighting games came up and he just kind of smiled. Come to find out, before he went into the Marines, so about... 2008-2009 ish, he made most of his money playing fighting games. He primarily played Street Fighter but dabbled in a handful of others. He was never a winner, but he consistently placed in top 8's and traveled to every local within about a fifty mile radius of where he was at the time and attended larger, regional tournaments in his area and majors abroad when he found good deals on travel and boarding and he felt that he could outplay 90% of the competition. He was confident in his abilities and lived for a few years off consistent, high placings with careful planning to maximize prize rewards before feeling a lack of purpose and moving on.

The point of the story is that you could, if you you could back it up, make a substantial amount of money off of a game.

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I hope you're not comparing the skill of someone like Woundcowboy, to winning the lottery.

I know people are downplaying video games, and whatever, some fair points can be made, but a lot of people could dedicate their entire life to this game, and still not be nearly as good as Wound, DJT, Sonicfox. You have to respect the talent and hard work.

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I'm not comparing his skill to winning the lottery. The analogy was attending be an event or buying a ticket with a promise of a payout if you won and then winning and having the tournament or lottery organizer then say they are unable to pay out

Dinosaur said:

If I was owed money from someone who is not a friend nor family member, an apology means nothing unless it's wrapped in hundred dollar bills.

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Agreed. I cant say an apology is good. I was not someone there who planned on using the money they were promised.

In regards to what @Pig Of The Hut said regarding how he got paid an allowance until the debt was paid in full. It may be hard bow for this TO to do that after losing so much however, its the right thing to do. Even if u can't pay it out now players who attended this u should speak to private and try to work something out as thats the right thing to do.

As a spectator i give your props for that redit post but what would of helped is a plan of action to fulfill these obligations and not blaming verizon for an action that as a TO "star struck" or not by Verizon its your job to get this in writing.

Well anyway just my 2 cents on this. I would be just like @cR WoundCowboy if i was him and be tight and want an answer from the TO and not an open ltr to the fgc. Msg him and the others try to work something out.

Edit: i also dont recall seeing death threats on prior threads regarding this event. Saying tym did that i am suprised at. Maybe opinions are strong about what people feel is a rip off but dont confuse twitter threats to tym and i am sure the mods here would of took action regarding that. Maybe they did and thats why i dont recall seeing that kinda stuff.

Since I'm noticing that Shane received death threats from TYM, if he were to send me a PM containing a list of the members who sent him such messages, I would be willing to deal out the appropriate punishments. I would hope he does not mistake their comments as a representation of the site itself, because death threats are not tolerated on TYM and never will be.

As far as cleaning up the mess that has resulted from this dealing with Verizon, however, we cannot help the OP there. Shane will have to do whatever is possible to resolve the situation with the players who'd gone unrewarded from their attendance of the event.

Maybe I am alone in my thinking but given that he had to file personal bankruptcy and that doing so will have much larger and long lasting consequences, the right thing to do is to make sure his family is good. I know folks feel jipped but in all honesty, I'm not sure how much your feelings really matter in the grand scheme of things.

YOMI RM JagoBlake said:

Since I'm noticing that Shane received death threats from TYM, if he were to send me a PM containing a list of the members who sent him such messages, I would be willing to deal out the appropriate punishments. I would hope he does not mistake their comments as a representation of the site itself, because death threats are not tolerated on TYM and never will be.

As far as cleaning up the mess that has resulted from this dealing with Verizon, however, we cannot help the OP there. Shane will have to do whatever is possible to resolve the situation with the players who'd gone unrewarded from their attendance of the event.

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Thanks blake for saying this as i know u /mods would do what u have to do

YOMI RM JagoBlake said:

Since I'm noticing that Shane received death threats from TYM, if he were to send me a PM containing a list of the members who sent him such messages, I would be willing to deal out the appropriate punishments. I would hope he does not mistake their comments as a representation of the site itself, because death threats are not tolerated on TYM and never will be.

As far as cleaning up the mess that has resulted from this dealing with Verizon, however, we cannot help the OP there. Shane will have to do whatever is possible to resolve the situation with the players who'd gone unrewarded from their attendance of the event.

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Check the staff forum -- sent him a pm.

CrimsonShadow said:

Check the staff forum -- sent him a pm.

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Noted - thank you.

Thanks for posting this. I think every TO or future TO can learn from this.

EMPEROR PRYCE said:

Money makes people throw human decency out the window. That's why I make enough to support my family and I'm satisfied.

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What does that even mean?? How does that pertain to a guy running a tournament and ripping off the winners?
Great job in making sure your family is supported....