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General/Other - Ninjitsu Anyone else feels that Ninjutsu is missing something?

Matix218

Matix218

Get over here!
STRYKIE said:
What fuckboi came up with the idea of making F2 an overhead HKD? come on son...

As I've said before there are plenty of other ways to give him a more serviceable overhead option in this variation without having to touch F2.

Granted, it is up for debate as to whether Ninjutsu needs a better overhead option, but I don't understand why people are so paranoid about whether it would make the variation dishonest or not. We're already entertaining a psuedo-safe armor breaker that takes over a third of their life into a restand and makes people apprehensive about when their turn is. There aint much honesty in a rap sheet like that lol.

And unless B32 was made special cancellable (assuming it would link into teleport), he still wouldn't really have a vortex in this variation lol.
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Well he would still have just b3 into ex teleport but I agree with you, I don't want f2 to be overhead anyway
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
STRYKIE said:
What fuckboi came up with the idea of making F2 an overhead HKD? come on son...

As I've said before there are plenty of other ways to give him a more serviceable overhead option in this variation without having to touch F2.

Granted, it is up for debate as to whether Ninjutsu needs a better overhead option, but I don't understand why people are so paranoid about whether it would make the variation dishonest or not. We're already entertaining a psuedo-safe armor breaker that takes over a third of their life into a restand and makes people apprehensive about when their turn is. There aint much honesty in a rap sheet like that lol.

And unless B32 was made special cancellable (assuming it would link into teleport), he still wouldn't really have a vortex in this variation lol.
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I just like ninjutsu where it is now. A slight tweak could help. I do think he is honest compared to the way the best charactersafe are played.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
Scoot Magee said:
I just like ninjutsu where it is now. A slight tweak could help. I do think he is honest compared to the way the best charactersafe are played.
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I agree, but there are riskier proposals are far as tweaks go IMO. A lot of people talk about how oppressive mixups are in the current meta but even the characters with safe non-resource dependant 50/50s havent made too much noise lately.
 
Gesture Required Ahead

Gesture Required Ahead

Get on that hook
Make B32F2 safe is all he needs. I don't think making F2 safe up-close is necessary. It'd be a free wake-up breaker into full combo for every knockdown. Giving that safety to B4 would be more appropriate. Low risk, low reward
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
Aizen Taicho said:
Make B32F2 safe is all he needs. I don't think making F2 safe up-close is necessary. It'd be a free wake-up breaker into full combo for every knockdown. Giving that safety to B4 would be more appropriate. Low risk, low reward
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That wouldn't be the case due to delayed wake up. Still I honestly think he's fine as is. Making b32f2 safe would be cool too imo. Not sure why it was made unsafe.
 
Slips

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
Scoot Magee said:
I just want to emphasize that I think @Slips suggestion of a safe f2 is the best change for Scorpion. It would keep him honest while making his up close game more threatening.

I'm not for paulo's suggestion of make f2 a hard knockdown overhead. My reasoning is I don't want to be forced to guess cancel the first hit of f2 to get a full combo. I like confirming that my f2 hit without having to commit to something unsafe. I think f2 should primarily be used for footsies and armor crushing. In its current state f2 rewards good footsies which is one of the reasons I enjoy ninjutsu so much. I understand that an overhead f2 would be very good but imo the character doesn't need it to be viable. Also I think it would make him somewhat overpowered. My reasoning is that once in the 50/50 range of f2, b3 and d4 players will be eager to step back out of that range which would make b2 so much more of a threat. He would also gain a real looping vortex that would be somewhat safe with meter. He would maybe shoot to the top of the tier list if this happens.
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Paulo said that's what he wanted to do? I thought that was just Blake's idea.

I wouldn't want f2 to hard knockdown either. But not because I think it'll make him top tier, I think it just changes too much that we know and love about the design of f2 as is. One of the funnest things to do in Ninjitsu is get people to whiff pokes and then launch with f2. If f2 doesn't launch anymore and we have to use meter to make it launch and that takes away one of the funnest things about him. He'll essentially turn into another vortex character. Which would be stupid because he a) kind of already has a vortex with meter right now as is and b) there are enough vortex 50/50 characters in the game as is so i think it'd hurt the character diversity overall.

It'd be a give and take change and not address the real problem Scorpion has which is not having anything safe without the use of meter. Besides b121 which does whatever damage and nobody cares.
 
jboogie607

jboogie607

Noob
I think making forward 4 faster would help all varations maybe 17 to 15 frames. I feel expierenced players can fuzzy or react to the overhead. Just my 2 cents.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
jboogie607 said:
I think making forward 4 faster would help all varations maybe 17 to 15 frames. I feel expierenced players can fuzzy or react to the overhead. Just my 2 cents.
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It's an idea, sure, but the problem is exactly that, F4 is a universal normal, Hellfire already has the best blender of all the variations and to give him a safe overhead starter that couldn't reliably be reacted to on top of it would be insane, and would also render regular F2 somewhat pointless lol.

This is why I maintain that, if Scorp does get better overhead utility, it should only be in Ninjutsu.
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
Slips said:
Paulo said that's what he wanted to do? I thought that was just Blake's idea.

I wouldn't want f2 to hard knockdown either. But not because I think it'll make him top tier, I think it just changes too much that we know and love about the design of f2 as is. One of the funnest things to do in Ninjitsu is get people to whiff pokes and then launch with f2. If f2 doesn't launch anymore and we have to use meter to make it launch and that takes away one of the funnest things about him. He'll essentially turn into another vortex character. Which would be stupid because he a) kind of already has a vortex with meter right now as is and b) there are enough vortex 50/50 characters in the game as is so i think it'd hurt the character diversity overall.

It'd be a give and take change and not address the real problem Scorpion has which is not having anything safe without the use of meter. Besides b121 which does whatever damage and nobody cares.
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I believe blake just said it was paulo's idea so I just repeated it as so. I have no evidence that he really said it lol.

I actually agree with you 100% about why I don't want ninjutsu changed. I'm more worried about him turning into a 50/50 character instead of the footsie character he is now. It's extremely satisfying to land f2 on a whiffed normal. Ninjutsu is the best part of this game imo.
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
NY-Shadow said:
Both of those videos show nothing more than a scrub Kitana and predator player. Waste of video footage to try to prove a point that was sadly missed by a mile.
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Can you point out some flaws in what was happening? maybe that could give the videos some good use.
 
GLoRToR

GLoRToR

Positive Poster!
I feel Ninjutsu is his honest variation. It lacks bullshit like hard-to-blockable lows and cancels and that aura thing that forces you to block or die. In a game without Boneshaper, Kobujutsu, Predator or +40 on block pressure, this is the variation I'd like to see.
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
Matix218 said:
Scoot, I'm telling you don't even waste your breath. He clearly just got off of his ban and is looking to start trouble again...
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Regardless of his motives I'm just asking for some substance to support his critique. I'm interested in what his reply will be.
 
NY-Shadow

NY-Shadow

TestYourMight SUCKS
Make B3,2 cancelable into a special and call it a day, then send the game to Komplete Edition processing.
 
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