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MKX is really in a good place right now

Hellbringer

1 2 3 drink
Always the same ppl complaining about online being unplayable...
Stop playing ranked and dont take online serious.
And dont blame online when u get outplayed.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Out of curiosity, why isn't it fun anymore for you?
It's really just not entertaining to me anymore. The way the game plays just doesn't excite me. The game's nutty stuff is all in a certain direction, and not really diverse.
 

TamedLizard

Buff George
I played a guy who was just nasty with a few characters. Afterwards, I gave him dap for his tremendous skill. He thanked me for the matches and told me his last 5 opponents all called him a cheater. He was really good and clearly knew the matchups and tried to keep it where he had the advantage, but he was in no way cheating. Entirely too many people these days would rather make excuses then give credit where its due or put in work.
Agreed. Just the other day I was in KOTH and was sent god awful messages from 4 different players in a matter of one hour. No skin off my back, it makes the victory all the sweeter, but instead of sending hate mail, why not just take the tactics I just beat you with into practice? Lol. Or better yet, ask me. I won't hesitant to give you tips for your character or tips to use against mine.

Casuals I guess. :rolleyes:
 
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GAV

Resolution through knowledge and resolve.
Agreed. Just the other day I was in KOTH and was sent god awful messages from 4 different players in a matter of one hour. No skin off my back, it makes the victory all the sweeter, but instead of sending hate mail, why not just take the tactics I just beat you with into practice? Lol. Or better yet, ask me. I won't hesitant to give you tips for your character or tips to use against mine.

Casuals I guess. :rolleyes:
Rare do players want to learn anymore.

Do they really expect to beat anyone good just playing off the cuff?
 

IrishMantis

Most humble shit talker ever!!!
It's really just not entertaining to me anymore. The way the game plays just doesn't excite me. The game's nutty stuff is all in a certain direction, and not really diverse.
Yeah I can relate to what your saying somewhat and it seems to be a commen complaint.

You should try a different char to see if that sparks it, some chars are way too flowchart but also some are diversed
 

MetalBender

Nerf everything forever
Yeah it would require a huge commitment indeed to stick with a community that wants you out just because you think NRS should improve (up to 2015 standards) a franchise you do love to no end.

We do agree about that . . .
I'm not saying that I want you out of the community, I'm just saying that the OP was literally "everyone has been really negative about the netcode all the time, how about we look on the bright side, the tournament community is flourishing" and then this thread immediately got hounded by everyone basically saying "fuck you there is no bright side, the netcode sucks."

Like I get that its really frustrating, I agree that it sucks, but its all been said a billion times on here, and this thread was specifically talking about anything other than the netcode. And I just find it hard to believe that all these people that have such disdain for this game would still be lurking around TYM ready to jump on anyone that tries to have a positive outlook about it.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Yeah I can relate to what your saying somewhat and it seems to be a commen complaint.

You should try a different char to see if that sparks it, some chars are way too flowchart but also some are diversed
It's not really the character I'm playing that's the issue. I really enjoy Reptile. But I don't enjoy playing vs that flowchart feeling a majority of the cast has, and how it really is mostly catered to offense.
 

aldazo

Waiting for Havik
whoever said the mechanics were good ....
- the run button/mechanic makes the neutral game boring and little obsolete, and promotes rushdown play
- over reliance on 50/50s
- Quan Chi
I really like and enjoy the rushdown game, you don't know how much I hate zoning, specially NRS zoning. 50/50 are a problem in high level play, but for me and my brother, your average weekend gamers, there's almost no problem with 50/50s. That being said I wish there were less 50/50 like in MK9. Quan Chi is far more honest than MK9 Kenshi.
Edit: Btw, the matches between KoreyTheDragon and Alucard yesterday was an excellent example of fun amazing hype rushdown.
 
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EntropicByDesign

It's all so very confusing.
Now, my bitch-post out of the way, I agree with this post by and large.
First off, given that the OP said that this wasn't in regards to the netcode, I find it funny that everyone immediately started bitching about it, and also given the context of the post I think it was clear that he was saying that the game is doing well in the FGC. As in not referring to casuals. As in not referring to how the online plays. And secondly, if all of you people hate this game so much, why are you even on TYM? It makes absolutely no sense to me why you would be on these forums if you think that this game is garbage.

He stated his opinions on why MKX was in a good place, we stated several counter opinions. This being a discussion forum, we were basically (some of us) saying we felt like it was difficult in our OPINION to say MKX was in a good place because *insert our reason here* (typically netcode related).

Also, many people are on TYM and complaining because they LOVE the game. You can love a thing, and admit that it has issues, some of which may be severe in your eyes, but because you do love the game, you strive and fight for what you feel like it needs. It's precisely because we DO love the game that we bitch about it.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
Always the same ppl complaining about online being unplayable...
Stop playing ranked and dont take online serious.
And dont blame online when u get outplayed.
This isn't a great way to think about online. People just want to be able to play online as close to offline as possible. And really, MKX's online doesn't come close for a lot of people. There are some who don't have that bad of experiences, but I wonder how much of that is just lack of experience or attention to how the game feels offline. And those individuals are much more in between than those who have disappointing experiences.

We shouldn't be telling people to suck it up when it comes to online, because for many, it is the only way people can actually play the game with others, and they can't enjoy it the way they want to.
 

mercureXI

Punching bag that throws fans !
Your twisting his words around completely. Something you do often to suit your agenda.

No one said the community wants you out. However, ultimately, it's a game. If you aren't having fun playing it, why do you still play?
Twisting his words ?

Not any more than I twisted yours, unfortunately.

"why you would be on these forums if you think that this game is garbage." means litterally "if you think this game is garbage, you shouldn't be on TYM"

But let's move on, that's basic shit right here, no wasting more time on that.

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"If you aren't having fun playing it, why do you still play"

As a matter of fact, I do have fun but I only play a few offline matches per month when I can gather up people that can play correctly at my place, or just use the main mode this game offers me : TRAINING MODE (MKX being a glorified training mode, you remember ?)

That's not really "playing the game" though, to me, since every other fighting game I play atm (USF4, Xrd, etc), provide a way to play online without having to jump through hoops and hellfire (!) to reach a playable match.

I'm having fun with MKX, like I've had fun with almost every other MK.

Just very few moments. While I should be able to play against people at any time, like on every other fighting game that sold for a LOT LESS than MKX worldwide.


But saying "the game is in a good place right now" just because of tourneys running well and streams being watched + NRS still selling DLCs ... is a bit of a stretch to me, that's all.

You don't seem to understand that, nowadays, all of this is directly tied to how well a fighting game handles online as a whole.

Playing online is the only way to play this game for a good amount of people.
If people stop playing because online is garbage > NRS will sell few DLCs > will stop supporting the game
If people stop playing because online is garbage > less people will be interested in the game > less people on the streams
etc


OP gave his reasons to why he feels "MKX is in a good place right now", legitimate reasons, I do agree with his reasons to some level.

Just gave mine about why I feel that even though a few things do run well with MKX, I really don't feel it's in a good place at all.

Not for me. Not for many people who bought the game. People that we, as a community, should be backing up and ask NRS to step up their fucking netcode to ensure these guys can have what was supposed to be : the best MK ever.

Period.
 
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Samsara

Resident Cynic
People will always enjoy the tournament scene this game provides, but the thing holding this game back is the zany changes NRS calls balancing, the overall ubiquity of rush down-50/50-block pressure bullshit and a complete lack of design time dedicated to unique and defensive play styles, and the games honestly deplorable netcode.

NRS will sell themselves some DLC though----- Christ too many in our community are foaming at the mouth for KP2 wallet ready to be emptied. It is what it is and the only thing I ask myself these days is: what did we honestly expect?

 
I think that MKX is a fucking awesome game. The way the competitive meta has been evolving, I think that the game is deep enough that it can last for years. NRS has, in general, done a really good job of patching the game, and each successive patch has left the game demonstrably better than it was before. I fucking love it. [...]

So, even though I love this game, and I believe that there is enough evidence to objectively say that this is a very good fighter, I cannot sign off on "the state of the game being good" when online is such an issue, not only for myself but also the overwhelming majority of competitive players.
I'll prob get a lot of flak/hate for this, and it's probably not even the right thread to bring it up in, but I honestly have to strongly disagree with objectively calling it a good fighter. I can't in good conscience agree because I feel a ton of the design elements are (to use a favored fg term) straight up fraudulent.

I think there're way too many situations that so many chars simply don't have an answer for. Tons of chars just have to respect Kung Lao's jumps, for instance. EB's 21122 string that you can confirm into a cmd grab. I think there are way too many situations in this game where you can make a correct read, and still get stuffed because your character actually doesn't have an answer to that situation (or, to deal with it, you have to make a read and predict it, and start your answer a bit before - which is not an answer!)

The run mechanic with cancels makes footsies less effective, and the major offender is how a huge portion of the game revolves around 50/50s. And don't even get me started on safe chip damage setups that keep building ridiculous meter. I dunno, I find all of these key design elements to be incredibly shoddy.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I enjoy the game, otherwise I wouldn't even be here, but part of the draw to me is that it ISN'T objectively a good fighter, but I view it as a crazy/absurd design fighter with nuts elements. Like, there isn't a single Japanese fighting game dev who would dare put someone with design like Quan Chi in their game, and to me, that's the appeal. Tons of fresh take on fighting game design, but unfortunately for me, it's a double-edged sword as it leads to (what I identify as) fraudulent design in terms of stuff like EB 21122, terrible AA game, and overall forced guessing games/very weak reactionary play.

I mean I could just be bad at the game, which is very likely, but from having played other fighters, I feel there's far less emphasis on solid fundamentals or defensive play in this game, and it's incredibly rushdown oriented, with many characters having almost identical gameplans.

Anyone more experienced than me, feel free to chime in or enlighten me (as MKX was my first venture into the MK franchise.) These are just my observations/opinion after having done a lot of different fgs over the years.

Please bear in mind me saying it is not a 'good' fighter is different from 'fun' fighter.
Always the same ppl complaining about online being unplayable...
Stop playing ranked and dont take online serious.
And dont blame online when u get outplayed.
Haha. How about you stop telling othes to accept mediocrity simply because it is all you know? I can list 4 fighters on steam off the top of my head where I play flawlessly (and can do my 1f combos,) yet MKX is entirely unplayable (unless you just like hitting random buttons and then seeing how the match plays out, I guess.)

But yeah, you're right I guess. Even though I'm limited to online play and can successfully do so on every fighter I've played the last 4 years, I should just stop playing MKX online (which means at all.) Apparently I should even be happy about not being able to play/enjoy what I bought.
 
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Obi

Ninja
I don't see why he wouldn't be - the online service is borderline unplayable and nothing is being done to fix it.

Not to mention that Max is a joke. He promoted MKX online at launch for being great. Then ... he realized his viewers aren't that dumb ?
I don't really recall this happening? Can you link/show where this happened?
I think I remember someone saying something about this but I could never find out where he said something like this. iirc max has said that the netcode for MKX has been shit since April.