General/Other - Raiden God of thunder has to stop falling to nerf abyss!!

Cerebru said:

Add me I'll help you level up.

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Thanks but I've moved on to cheaper things. I got 3rd in my last local because a KJ player who I beat all the time blocked 4 of my mix-ups in a row in the last round and full combo punished me every time. Haven't touched Raiden since.

I prefer a character who doesn't get destroyed in the neutral game, and can pressure without worrying about being minus a billion on block.

infamy23 said:

Thanks but I've moved on to cheaper things. I got 3rd in my last local because a KJ player who I beat all the time blocked 4 of my mix-ups in a row in the last round and full combo punished me every time. Haven't touched Raiden since.

I prefer a character who doesn't get destroyed in the neutral game, and can pressure without worrying about being minus a billion on block.

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I feel you there my man. GL and best of wishes still.

Qwark28 said:

I agree that he was nerfed because of the OS and now they're gone.

Something reasonable is reverting F1 back to mid and making the startup 9f.

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NO HELL NO. Leave it high and tell the Raiden players to level up. I main him and most raiden mains space horriblely because of that luxury at the release of the game. He need the 6f high if you make it a 9f mid you'll hate life... just a heads up. Maybe ex shocker should hit mid? just maybe lol

Haven't touched the character since the patch removed the option selects because I figured it would be his death.

The character already lacked so much in the neutral game, relying on either armor to punish a poor approach or reversal pressure to open up the opponent. This meant that if you played against him properly, the way you should play the Raiden MU, Raiden essentially always had to deal with his opponents' pressure before he even got a chance to start his pressure. In a game where so many characters have crazy pressure sustainibility and 50/50's, that seems like a big deal to me. In my opinion the safe 50/50 is what made this scenario fair.

After F1 was nerfed, the option select became pretty integral to how the character functioned with his current tools. Now that it's gone, the character could use some adjustments so that he can actually compete in the neutral, and not have to rely on defense for damage/pressure opportunities.

It's about time people stopped drinking the Raiden is good Kool-aid...I've been saying this character is garbage for a little while now.

GAV said:

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Damn I just logged in saw this thread and was gonna post this to gank it off you lol

missed it by 6 minutes









Raiden F1 doesn't need to be a mid and he does not need Quan Chi damage. Can we be realistic here.

Iustinus said:

It's about time people stopped drinking the Raiden is good Kool-aid...I've been saying this character is garbage for a little while now.

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And for all the wrong reasons. You didn't grasp any of his weakenesses, you complained about his damage being 6/10 and his defensive options too and a bunch of other stuff that doesn't ruin him.

Raiden is a good character. Mid tier at worst. This character needs very little. Stop downplaying.

Play the fucking game lol

You guy should send a pm my way the next time you see this 'great' character in a top 8 somewhere. Even Goro's been there, but where's Raiden?

Iustinus said:

You guy should send a pm my way the next time you see this 'great' character in a top 8 somewhere. Even Goro's been there, but where's Raiden?

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Didn't Raiden get 9th place at EVO 2015?

Airvidal said:

Didn't Raiden get 9th place at EVO 2015?

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Reading comprehension.

Iustinus said:

Reading comprehension.

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Right back at you. If you didn't understand, probably I shouldn't waste my time explaining.

He did get 9th, but that was when b2 was -7 on block.

As Sev accurately stated above, he needed that OS to compete in the current meta of this game. Now that it's gone, I'll be shocked if we see another Raiden make top 8. Digit didn't even make it out of pools this weekend.

Airvidal said:

Right back at you. If you didn't understand, probably I shouldn't waste my time explaining.

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8 =/= 9

My point stands. Your ability to do basic reading is called into doubt.

Raiden's weakness lies solely in neutral. There is no way to play the character safely. His only mid still whiff horribly, his pokes are unsafe. When he is pressured he has no real, consistent option to use. F1 is still good but knowledgeable players are aware that there is no reason to block. Just poke, and you will at worst eat a poke. There is no need to fear his frame traps at all. Raiden has no way to even get his 50/50 unless he scores a knockdown or blocks successfully. Raiden needs b11 to actually be fixed, and possibly safer pokes or a quicker d4. His ability to punish so well is what keeps him alive. He needs the 6 frame poke too

Iustinus said:

8 =/= 9

My point stands. Your ability to do basic reading is called into doubt.

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Oh dang!

infamy23 said:

He did get 9th, but that was when b2 was -7 on block.

As Sev accurately stated above, he needed that OS to compete in the current meta of this game. Now that it's gone, I'll be shocked if we see another Raiden make top 8. Digit didn't even make it out of pools this weekend.

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Out of pools was top 8 lol.

He was 2 matches away from getting top 8. Chill.

@Nivek how has your experience been since these nerfs......as in how much harder do you have to work with him now? just curious

infamy23 said:

He did get 9th, but that was when b2 was -7 on block.

As Sev accurately stated above, he needed that OS to compete in the current meta of this game. Now that it's gone, I'll be shocked if we see another Raiden make top 8. Digit didn't even make it out of pools this weekend.

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I barely read this. B2 -7 on block?

I mean damn. When your super wall carrying armored flying super punch screams "Punish Me!!" You know shit is wrong. Poor raiden. Imma go learnhimnow.

Airvidal said:

I barely read this. B2 -7 on block?

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b2 df2 option select was easy enough that a good player could do it 100% of the time, effectively making b2 -7 on block.

Now that you can't do that anymore, it's -32

jesus

if he's that bad to you play someone else

Iustinus said:

8 =/= 9

My point stands. Your ability to do basic reading is called into doubt.

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Ahh, so that 1 position in standing at that one tournament with shitloads of people there, is what defines whether the character needs buffs or not?

Just ssshhhhh.

grabbing a seat need to hold on better as i go along for this ride

General
b1,1 needs "fixed" again
B3,4 ex shocker connects on everyone
B2 -15 at most

TG: Damage and chip on lightning strings reverted back to pre patch. Thats the whole point of this variation after all.

Displacer: standing 2 should be able to combo after b2 ex teleport

MoS: speaking for everyone here "ORBS STUN ON IMPACT!" Come on already lol

Orbs placed upwards(any direction) do no proximity damage when an opponent stands under them. Not major but still doesn't do what the buff was intended to do which upsets the creeper.