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bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
The more I think about it, the reason Commando struggles the most is because his footsies are the weakest. F4 choke is shitty when compared to Cybernetic's b2 or Cut Throats f2.

He's cool and all, but in tournament if you came up against a MU that isn't great for Cybernetic, why would you choose his command grab options over plus on block 50/50's and superior footsies?
Well like vs a list jahnny it would make sense going commando. Hes going to have to d4 a lot but going for cancels can be cmnd grabes and parried. So its a mind game that he cant really play his game the way he wants
 

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
The more I think about it, the reason Commando struggles the most is because his footsies are the weakest. F4 choke is shitty when compared to Cybernetic's b2 or Cut Throats f2.

He's cool and all, but in tournament if you came up against a MU that isn't great for Cybernetic, why would you choose his command grab options over plus on block 50/50's and superior footsies?
Jax, Kung Lao, LK IMO
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Well like vs a list jahnny it would make sense going commando. Hes going to have to d4 a lot but going for cancels can be cmnd grabes and parried. So its a mind game that he cant really play his game the way he wants
Or you could just do ball cancel in CT into a combo? All this parry business is a read that they're going to push a button anyway.

A-List out-footsies Commando, but he has equal footsies to CT. Except now when you knock him down, he has to guess high or low for mid 30's and being put in the corner, rather than a 16% grab. The fact that Cage has launching armour makes tick throws less appealing that against D'Vorah.
 

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
Yeah but ex choke is good for that. Also you can parry all his teleport follow ups. You can parry out of regular hat follow ups. In between 44 (?).
I didnt think about choke handling that. Thats good. And no good lao uses 44 unless its in a combo or a punish. But otherwise very good. Maybe ill try it next time.
 

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
Or you could just do ball cancel in CT into a combo? All this parry business is a read that they're going to push a button anyway.

A-List out-footsies Commando, but he has equal footsies to CT. Except now when you knock him down, he has to guess high or low for mid 30's and being put in the corner, rather than a 16% grab. The fact that Cage has launching armour makes tick throws less appealing that against D'Vorah.
Well some follow ups can be punished with parry without meter. And i think its the other way. Cages f3 knee is faster and has about the same range as cutthroats f2 and f4. And. I dont think you can punish cages ex nutpunch in ct. Cause of oush back. And commando can with b1
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
Well some follow ups can be punished with parry without meter. And i think its the other way. Cages f3 knee is faster and has about the same range as cutthroats f2 and f4. And. I dont think you can punish cages ex nutpunch in ct. Cause of oush back. And commando can with b1
You can midscreen with 112. When he has Kano in the corner you can't but it's a small price to pay for such a threatening knockdown game and the ability to safely and meterlessly confirm his best footsies tool.
 

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
You can midscreen with 112. When he has Kano in the corner you can't but it's a small price to pay for such a threatening knockdown game and the ability to safely and meterlessly confirm his best footsies tool.
True. Ct is safe but so is jahn. If you do f21 and be - you can only bsckdash or armor out of the follow up. You dont want jahn to have a turn. If you do b121 to be 0 then jahn can still beat any option with f3 if you do anything but a low poke. B31 jahn cant so anything but armour or back dash. Maybe jump but im sure kano can catch his jump since its not good. And seeing as ct is meter dependant as it is having to blow meter to get out of his cancels ( mostly when in the corner) means hes dictating the pace and ct needs to bait him more than the other variations.
 

Phosferrax

Original Liu Kang cop.
True. Ct is safe but so is jahn. If you do f21 and be - you can only bsckdash or armor out of the follow up. You dont want jahn to have a turn. If you do b121 to be 0 then jahn can still beat any option with f3 if you do anything but a low poke. B31 jahn cant so anything but armour or back dash. Maybe jump but im sure kano can catch his jump since its not good. And seeing as ct is meter dependant as it is having to blow meter to get out of his cancels ( mostly when in the corner) means hes dictating the pace and ct needs to bait him more than the other variations.
At 0, JC has to use a frame to unblock. His fastest normal other than a poke is 9f and Kano's is 8f, so Kano can beat out any standing response with 112. Cage can poke out with his 8f jab, but Kano can use s3 to make it very tricky to poke out. At neutral frames, Kano has the best options.
 

bdizzle2700

gotta stay sharp!
At 0, JC has to use a frame to unblock. His fastest normal other than a poke is 9f and Kano's is 8f, so Kano can beat out any standing response with 112. Cage can poke out with his 8f jab, but Kano can use s3 to make it very tricky to poke out. At neutral frames, Kano has the best options.
I bet jc d4 will low profile it. Even it being a slower poke. Do you happen to know anyfootage where i can see the match up? I have lots of practice playing dja homies jc. But i dont use ct. So im kinda going from on paper xp.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
No way is Commando better for Kung Lao imo.

Don't know about LK but i can imagine Cybernetic is better for that anyway.
You sure Commando isn't a better choice for Kung Lao? Maybe there's a reason the best Kano decided to play it over Cybernetic against DJT? Most of his strings are negative on block but safe, which opens up the opportunities to use his parries. It's easier to pick which one to use because Lao has no hugely threatening lows so after a string on block you have the threat of the 17% parry or more pressure or a tick throw or of course reading the poke and low parrying or blocking. He might not be landing as many full combos but parries and grabs add up quickly, never mind the fact it's free unbreakable damage if you're making the right reads. It can really slow Lao down.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
You sure Commando isn't a better choice for Kung Lao? Maybe there's a reason the best Kano decided to play it over Cybernetic against DJT? Most of his strings are negative on block but safe, which opens up the opportunities to use his parries. It's easier to pick which one to use because Lao has no hugely threatening lows so after a string on block you have the threat of the 17% parry or more pressure or a tick throw or of course reading the poke and low parrying or blocking. He might not be landing as many full combos but parries and grabs add up quickly, never mind the fact it's free unbreakable damage if you're making the right reads. It can really slow Lao down.
Interesting.

In my experience, I feel like Cutthroat goes even with Lao.

The footsie tools are about even, as is the damage output.

Lao has better mobility of course, but Cut has the safe 50/50 which helps.

Do you think Commando is 6-4 Lao?
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
I'd still rather use Cutthroat over Commando against Lao, the + on block 50/50s, actual damage, and not worrying about the Ex knives whiffing make me think that it's an even MU. I can see the argument of Commando being good against Lao but most of it seems to be "Well, you have the unsafe option to beat him here on a read". So you have many options but they're high risk and low reward and that to me doesn't really sound favorable.

And LMAO at Commando beating Liu Kang, it's easily 7-3 in his favor. You're best off going to Cutthroat since Cybernetic can't zone him either.
 

MsMiharo

Kuff Bano
I'd still rather use Cutthroat over Commando against Lao, the + on block 50/50s, actual damage, and not worrying about the Ex knives whiffing make me think that it's an even MU. I can see the argument of Commando being good against Lao but most of it seems to be "Well, you have the unsafe option to beat him here on a read". So you have many options but they're high risk and low reward and that to me doesn't really sound favorable.

And LMAO at Commando beating Liu Kang, it's easily 7-3 in his favor. You're best off going to Cutthroat since Cybernetic can't zone him either.
Didn't say it beats it. Said it does better/equal to cyber.