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General/Other - Liu Kang Liu Kang 8-31-2015 Patch Notes

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Witness can vouch for the way i use liu kang. Ive see ares and murk play as well. You dont main dragons fire without knowing how to do the cancels. If yall do find out a way to link the fireballs than thats great. But im literally sitting here trying. Thing is, to link, most of them had to be done JUST before the fireball animation started. Now you MUST wait until he fully has the fireball in his hands before you can cancel. A lot of the fbrc links had to be dont VERY VERY fast. I have tried both fast and slower methods and none have worked.
 
Witness can vouch for the way i use liu kang. Ive see ares and murk play as well. You dont main dragons fire without knowing how to do the cancels. If yall do find out a way to link the fireballs than thats great. But im literally sitting here trying. Thing is, to link, most of them had to be done JUST before the fireball animation started. Now you MUST wait until he fully has the fireball in his hands before you can cancel. A lot of the fbrc links had to be dont VERY VERY fast. I have tried both fast and slower methods and none have worked.
Yeah... f44 fbrc f44 was pretty damn tight.
 

Wrubez

The Flow Instructor
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Witness can vouch for the way i use liu kang. Ive see ares and murk play as well. You dont main dragons fire without knowing how to do the cancels. If yall do find out a way to link the fireballs than thats great. But im literally sitting here trying. Thing is, to link, most of them had to be done JUST before the fireball animation started. Now you MUST wait until he fully has the fireball in his hands before you can cancel. A lot of the fbrc links had to be dont VERY VERY fast. I have tried both fast and slower methods and none have worked.
And fears confirmed. The f44 fbc f44 was so tight to begin with, I was wondering how it would be affected. Thing is, the notes do say that the "must hold for 4 frames" nonsense was to only be during blockstun. So with that said if you can no longer link on hit then Liu's gonna get buffer frames in a hotfix a la D'Vorah. Will just be virtually unplayable until then I suppose.

Even if they admit mistake and fix it so it links on hit...the...dash...cancels...advantage on block were supposed to be the only thing removed. Can't see this staying, especially the LK community is loud enough. DF will be effectively worse than Dualist pre patch without block pressure. And don't tell me the run cancel's were that "cheap". I do believe you can still jail with certain strings in Swarm Queen yet no one is complaining. Same with Johnny too.

But whatever. DF wasn't broken except for the fucking dash cancels
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
Yeah... f44 fbrc f44 was pretty damn tight.
Yeah man,no more quick cancels before the fireball is fully
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And fears confirmed. The f44 fbc f44 was so tight to begin with, I was wondering how it would be affected. Thing is, the notes do say that the "must hold for 4 frames" nonsense was to only be during blockstun. So with that said if you can no longer link on hit then Liu's gonna get buffer frames in a hotfix a la D'Vorah. Will just be virtually unplayable until then I suppose.

Even if they admit mistake and fix it so it links on hit...the...dash...cancels...advantage on block were supposed to be the only thing removed. Can't see this staying, especially the LK community is loud enough. DF will be effectively worse than Dualist pre patch without block pressure. And don't tell me the run cancel's were that "cheap". I do believe you can still jail with certain strings in Swarm Queen yet no one is complaining. Same with Johnny too.

But whatever. DF wasn't broken except for the fucking dash cancels
It most definitely isn't in block stun only. The first thing i noticed was f44 fbrc and f44 frbc 113 no longer linked. I played witness at summer jam and i remember someone telling me right after watching us play that "that shit is gonna get nerfed" lol. Liu wasnt as big a threat as people thought. They just heard brady cry broken and hopped the bandwagon. This patch made almost everyone better. Dualist is great now but i never really cared for that variations. I love the execution and links and crazy shit the fbrc let u do...
 

Lone

KHAOTIC
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So with that said if you can no longer link on hit then Liu's gonna get buffer frames in a hotfix a la D'Vorah. Will just be virtually unplayable until then I suppose.

Even if they admit mistake and fix it so it links on hit...the...dash...cancels...advantage on block were supposed to be the only thing removed. Can't see this staying, especially the LK community is loud enough. DF will be effectively worse than Dualist pre patch without block pressure. And don't tell me the run cancel's were that "cheap". I do believe you can still jail with certain strings in Swarm Queen yet no one is complaining. Same with Johnny too.
Well, possibly. The issue is that we don't have a high level, high profile caliber player that mains Dragon's Fire, those communities do. Honey Bee and Dizzy, respectively.
 

SylverRye

Official Loop Kang Main
So i got f213 and f44 into 113 to link..the timing is strict as FUCK. Im not liking this at all but what can we do. Managed to get f213 into f213 on block but man..the timing has changed alot. Gonna take getting used to..its pretty hard. We got dvorah'd lol
 
So i got f213 and f44 into 113 to link..the timing is strict as FUCK. Im not liking this at all but what can we do. Managed to get f213 into f213 on block but man..the timing has changed alot. Gonna take getting used to..its pretty hard. We got dvorah'd lol
Good news. Who/what are your practicing against?
 
Man, what are the FBRCs for if we can just barely combo with them? All they had to do was get rid of the F213 FBDC loop.

Topkek, looks like DF is ruined but I'll wait for the patch to drop and experiment with it before I main SZ Cryo.

Dualist looks great, but I never liked the play style.
 
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Take$$$

gotta take it to make it
Yeah man,no more quick cancels before the fireball is fully

It most definitely isn't in block stun only. The first thing i noticed was f44 fbrc and f44 frbc 113 no longer linked. I played witness at summer jam and i remember someone telling me right after watching us play that "that shit is gonna get nerfed" lol. Liu wasnt as big a threat as people thought. They just heard brady cry broken and hopped the bandwagon. This patch made almost everyone better. Dualist is great now but i never really cared for that variations. I love the execution and links and crazy shit the fbrc let u do...
It should only be on block since that's what the notes say. That's what they did to fix D'Vorahs cancels after me and Bee talked to Paulo at CEO, and it only took them like 5 days to get that patch out. Just go to an event and find him if they don't fix it after tfc.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
On another note, has anyone checked to see if EX Shaolin Flame got changed to the recovery that meterless Shaolin Flame had in the June patch? Or is it still the same as the previous patch?

It should only be on block since that's what the notes say. That's what they did to fix D'Vorahs cancels after me and Bee talked to Paulo at CEO, and it only took them like 5 days to get that patch out. Just go to an event and find him if they don't fix it after tfc.
Trust me, this won't be necessary. The Liu forums are just repeat offenders of not being able to cope with the technical aspects of the character.

If it says that you now have to wait another 4 frames before you can cancel out of the fireball, then it will effect links on hit. And I don't see any of them being as difficult as Swarm Queen's B1~WGC~212 link in the June patch. The main goal of it is to prevent him from being able to jail the same blockstrings over and over again. They had to nerf the fireball cancel frames to do that.
 

Take$$$

gotta take it to make it
On another note, has anyone checked to see if EX Shaolin Flame got changed to the recovery that meterless Shaolin Flame had in the June patch? Or is it still the same as the previous patch?


Trust me, this won't be necessary. The Liu forums are just repeat offenders of not being able to cope with the technical aspects of the character.

If it says that you now have to wait another 4 frames before you can cancel out of the fireball, then it will effect links on hit. And I don't see any of them being as difficult as Swarm Queen's B1~WGC~212 link in the June patch. The main goal of it is to prevent him from being able to jail the same blockstrings over and over again. They had to nerf the fireball cancel frames to do that.
Yeah, but they can make the cancels act completely different between hit and block. It's how they fixed it for SQ When they made the fix. They made the cancels how they used to be on hit, but you still have to hold the wasp for whatever frames they made you hold it on block which kept f112 wc at +12 or +13 on block like they wanted.
 

Enexemander

A Hitbox Pirate - YARRR -
From watching people's streams, it seem like run canceling got a universal nerf.

So we've got this situation:

Run canceling got a universal nerf.

Liu Kang got a specific nerf to his cancels, which seems to not take into account the universal one.

Quan Chi got a 6 frame D1 to deal with block infinites, that no longer exist, and double don't exist for Liu Kang.

It's like the people working on this game don't talk to each other before they compile the code. Also, Honeybee found that D'Vorah's cancels into all options using 1 from WGC are ALL bugged (D1, F1, etc), which makes me wonder if this isn't affecting Liu's cancels as well.
 
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RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
I respectfully disagree. I'm trying not to be too salty but some prominent posters who supposedly main Liu were going further than that and have lost my respect permanently. I'll refrain from any call outs, but in my heart there are some choice people I think are right stupid bastards right about now.

[edit] Also, I can't test these changes myself yet so DF may actually still be able to link strings and the character still works. So there is that.
I know who your talking about
i lold so hard and i can think of exactly wut fucboi this is
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
I just got the patch, and even with this new run cancel bug, I'm comboing links out of FBRCs with relative ease. F44~FBRC~F44 in particular is a piece of cake.

Come on guys, throw your most obscure known links from the last patch at me, I bet most, if not ALL of them still work.
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
I just got the patch, and even with this new run cancel bug, I'm comboing links out of FBRCs with relative ease. F44~FBRC~F44 in particular is a piece of cake.

Come on guys, throw your most obscure known links from the last patch at me, I bet most, if not ALL of them still work.
As long as he can do his FBRC combos then he's fine. The frame data nerfs were absolutely necessary, and from what I understand, F213 fbrc should still jail if done properly and F44 FBRC is a low starter that's +6(maybe more) on block.

I can still see him being top 5 as the game goes on.
 

RM AtK!

aka - RM_AtK !
As long as he can do his FBRC combos then he's fine. The frame data nerfs were absolutely necessary, and from what I understand, F213 fbrc should still jail if done properly and F44 FBRC is a low starter that's +6(maybe more) on block.

I can still see him being top 5 as the game goes on.
stawwwp derp lol
 

KingHippo

Alternative-Fact Checker
Due to the dash cancel mechanics being affected, he has to hold fireball for a bit longer before cancelling into only a dash and then cancel that dash into run. The f213 blockstring is still intact, as is f44 into 113 as well as b12 into 113. F44 into f44 should be possible, but I can't muster up the execution at this late hour. Very difficult to do now, but still possible.
 

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
It was always intended that Liu could RUN cancel F213. The "problem" was Liu being able to F213 block string with DASH cancels.

The community never seemed to grasp that.
I've got to say man, you are really obsessed with Liu's cancels.
Do you have nightmares?
if other chars lost loops they had, so maybe suggest kang shouldnt have his no?

i dislike kang since mk2 it aint a new thing lol