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General/Other - Unbreakable Unbreakable/Cyro confirmed buffs.

UsedForGlue

"Strength isn't everything"
Well if it was +11 the opponent has to respect your d4, so they'll have to respect the 50/50 anyway.

And yeah a 39% combo into a 50/50 or throw would be too much to be honest.
If you block the d4, pressure over.

But like I said, it's all pure speculation. The likly hood is, if his grab was +, it would be something like +5 or something.
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
If you block the d4, pressure over.

But like I said, it's all pure speculation. The likly hood is, if his grab was +, it would be something like +5 or something.
Yeah I think something like +4 would be great, and enough.
Subzero shouldn't get a guaranteed follow up after that, but it's ridiculous for the opponent to be able to poke first after the restand, which happens a lot now. So Sub-Zero basically has to block after he finishes his combo, which sucks.
 

Scott The Scot

Where there is smoke, there is cancer.
Unbreakable's ex parry is 3 frames.

It can't blow up all gaps. A lot of the string gaps in the game are like 1f gaps.
I know, I should have mentioned I meant meterless.

Aw maan, really? That sucks. I thought the gaps would have been bigger than that.
 

ZeZe

The smart stuff!
What I'd like to see for Unbreakable:
- Meter gain when aura is active and hit is blocked. (more meter gain when sub gets hit (blocked or not blocked) while ex aura is on)
- Faster parry recovery after parrying projectiles
- Ice burst. Other 2 variations have it, no reason for UB not to have it.

Cryo:
- Air hammer becoming useful somehow.
- Cancellable hammer <3
- Cold blooded more advantageous for Sub0.

I'm still not certain if the end result will make this game better. This patch is going to be huge from the looks of it. And it might create new huge problems because of it.
 

UsedForGlue

"Strength isn't everything"
But with all this Cryo talk, Unbreakable was the reason I wanted to play the game in the first place...I really hope it becomes something....
 
good thing ive been messing with unbreakable since day 1, I love investing time in low tier chars and having them buffed into playability
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
No they would either respect the d4, or the 5050, you'd be able to backdash/armour anything other than d4 in that hypothetical situation.
I know. I meant that you can train the opponent to expect a d4, so they'll just start blocking after the restand, which allows you to go for the 50/50.

Also the d4 is between +17 to +22 on hit, depending on how late it hits, and even though it has push back, that's scary enough IMO.
 

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
I know. I meant that you can train the opponent to expect a d4, so they'll just start blocking after the restand, which allows you to go for the 50/50.

Also the d4 is between +17 to +22 on hit, depending on how late it hits, and even though it has push back, that's scary enough IMO.
Well technically sub doesn't have a 5050 because his b2 is reactable.

The difference between EVO room SZ defence and vsf gf shows.
:DOGE
It wouldn't be some true batgirl level 5050.
There was a point in time where I could block every SZ mixup. So the theory of this scenario isn't too ridiculous IMO.

But then again, it's just an opinion.
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
Well technically sub doesn't have a 5050 because his b2 is reactable.

The difference between EVO room SZ defence and vsf gf shows.
:DOGE
It wouldn't be some true batgirl level 5050.
There was a point in time where I could block every SZ mixup. So the theory of this scenario isn't too ridiculous IMO.

But then again, it's just an opinion.
Interesting. I wondered since release if we're going to get to the point where people can react to b2 and looks like we're getting there.
 

RM Ree

Shiba Tamer
Well technically sub doesn't have a 5050 because his b2 is reactable.

There was a point in time where I could block every SZ mixup.
This point in time wasn't at VSF5 was it? :3

@Madzin illustrated that the mix up isn't always just 50/50, but throws can play a role, and people start to forget that. The fact that he had clone to throw into just made that point more painful.

Human reaction time is on average 19 frames. But when you introduce other factors and stimuli, the processing power brains have becomes less and less. Think of it like bandwidth. At first all your attention is on OH/ low, but then you get thrown, or pressured with + strings (anticipation), baited into an unsafe reversal (future hesitation), you know the crowd's watching (anxiety), and you get frustrated with the result of the last mix up (salt). All combined, that 100% bandwidth that let you block the 50/50 before is being taken up here and there by other factors and now you've slowed down. You've only got 45% dedicated to low/ OH and you don't have a moment to decompress. Next thing you know, you've got shit Internet and b2 hits you.

It's all about pressure and how you chunk the info in your head. Gotta stop thinking 50/50 so the concept of throw doesn't slow us down. Think mixup and you'll start to mitigate the things that slow you.
 

STB BroZki

Don’t know what to put here
Guys I'm extremely hyped for this. I always prefered Cryo over GM and Unbreakable with the right buffs is going to be crazy! I wish all of you the best in the future!
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
What I'd like to see for Unbreakable:- Ice burst. Other 2 variations have it, no reason for UB not to have it.
Shouldn't ice aura having the same input as ice burst be an indication as to why he doesn't have it in Unbreakable? Lol.
 

Braindead

I want Kronika to step on my face
Shouldn't parry having the same input as ice burst be an indication as to why he doesn't have it in Unbreakable? Lol.
Aura has its inputs not the parry. But I agree if we had ice burst there wouldn't be much reason to use parry.
 

Derptile

RIP Ex Smash
@Braindead
I think Unbreakable's buff is that when he activates aura he gains Cyro's weapons and that his armor becomes unbreakable(kinda shitty but it sounds like that's the case).