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Breakthrough - Boneshaper Boneshaper Shinnok is The Best Character in MKX

EMPRESS_SunFire

Regina George of discord
Isn't regular hellsparks unsafe?

At max range, couldn't a Sub slide or Reptile dash, or a fast teleport punish?

Or...couldn't you run in while he's- and start offense?

Just because you don't get a full combo doesn't mean you can't use the - frames to turn the momentum around.
The thing is that he can fucking delay the MB lol. Which is absurd.
 

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
NEVERMIND
I'm not sure what you're implying with this. Nothing I said in that sentence reflects my own perspective.
Well no, because w the plus on block launchers if it doesn't hit they get 112124 (Lao) or bs gets his or quan chi gets another 50/50 which again all builds meter
Make kenjutsu bf2 +24 and I'll shut up or infact make my OH sword +14

If u block it big deal bro, I just wasted a bar

Also possessed ex db4 make +24. Block low and boy that sucks for me
IDK if these examples level out though, all of these characters get some damn fine damage or setups (if not both in one shot) without any meter necessary. Shinnok without meter only really gets that from his unsafe overhead.

Bone Shaper needs adjustments, everyone agrees to that, but the variation did in fact exist before the Dark Beam buff while the MB Hell Sparks were +24 on block and almost nobody had anything to say about it. Let's not push our luck and risk fucking over his other variations for good measure.
 

DOOMSDAY-15RUS-

i'LL DESTROY YOU ALL
As a rushdown player I really hate shinnok, I'm not sure he is the best but top 5 for sure. I think just need more practice againts him. Anyway I don't understand why zoners run faster than rushdown characters (who really need to get close against zonning).

For me is harder to fight Impostor because of his teleport, if someone can give me a real weapon to deal with it I will be happy, because uppercut is not really effective and if I try to poke this bitch after blocked teleport NJP or NJK he poke faster, what a fake frame data he got in his list
 

stamatis

Όσα δε φτάνει η αλεπού. ........
Listen guys,the armour moves are dead after the 2nd spark,and just to know,kung lao x rays do not reach shinnok when sparks are active,there are no excuses,do the math,he is by far the best char in the game and he needs to get nerfed,even if the patch affect only him and no one else!it must come out!
 
funny how almost everyone overlooked him until the dark beam buff. Shinnok is to what bojutsu kung jin was before his nerf. simple, easy to use and has a tool for almost everything.

as for nerfs, mb hell sparks has to stay, for the sake of impostor and necromancer. hell, i'll go as far as to revert the changes and make it back to +24. the hell spark nerf hurts impostor and necromancer a lot more than it does to bone shaper.

i hate nerfs, but dark beam is a bit too good now. it does high damage, fast, safe on block and plus on hit. keep the speed, lower the damage to 6 or 7%, make it -7 on block and +2 on hit at most.
 

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
Because if you have a variation that gives you 0 bad matchups why use anything else? therefore best character.
Best variation = best character.
You may have larger testicles than me but my penis is bigger and that's what matters, I can't play the other two variations at once but why do you need to when you have one mighty strong one?

This is how people will always generalise a character with their strongest variation, when you say Kung Lao you think tempest, when you say Takeda you think Shirai Ryu, when you think Sub you think Grand master.... really if one variation is strongest or most played then you probably associate the character with that variation first before you think of the others.
Well besides the fact that doesn't actually answer what I said...

He said Bone Shaper is the best character, that's plain wrong. Fact. Bone Shaper is not a character. People can generalize all they want but that doesn't make them right. It's not hard to notate BASIC GAME MECHANICS properly.
 

A F0xy Grampa

Problem X Promotions
Well besides the fact that doesn't actually answer what I said...

He said Bone Shaper is the best character, that's plain wrong. Fact. Bone Shaper is not a character. People can generalize all they want but that doesn't make them right. It's not hard to notate BASIC GAME MECHANICS properly.
Arguing semenantics when everybody understands what he means anyway.
 

coolwhip

Noob
Bone Shaper = Variation

Shinnok = Character

Bone Shaper != Character

Why the fuck can people still not notate BASIC GAME MECHANICS properly after four months of the game being out? Jeez...
Yeah you're definitely not overreacting at all. Not one bit. Nope.
 

ArmedCalf

I guess I play Necromancer now.. PSN: ArmedCalf
I'm just suuuuuper super worried that the attention that BS has right now is gonna lead to Imposter and Necromancer getting unintentionally nerfed again. Mind you the Hell Spark nerf in the last patch was totally necessary. I've been throwing these around a bit in my head:

make Dark Beam more negative on block.
make his 6f d1 like 8frames or something slower
have d4xxHS interruptible OR keep it the way it is and reduce the chip/meter gain
remove the delay on the MB hell spark

but in all seriousness, if they make the MB spark negative I want one of my 5 strings to at least be like +1. Give me something I can use to fool people up a little bit. I have a reactable af OH and a fast low that's also -7 if blocked.
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
Bone Shaper is really good, but best in the game is too mutch. buff impostor and necromancer already!
 
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SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
Hell sparks is useless against a lot of the cast. Shinnok is super meter dependent and should not just throw out hell sparks and just ex the last one to make it safe.

It is a nice check once and a while but really punishable against a lot of the female characters.
also after the 3rd spark some chars can just do an advancing armor move that you get punished anyway while also losing the meter.
 

SaSSolino

Soul Stealing Loyalist
Because if you have a variation that gives you 0 bad matchups why use anything else? therefore best character.
Best variation = best character.
You may have larger testicles than me but my penis is bigger and that's what matters, I can't play the other two variations at once but why do you need to when you have one mighty strong one?

This is how people will always generalise a character with their strongest variation, when you say Kung Lao you think tempest, when you say Takeda you think Shirai Ryu, when you think Sub you think Grand master.... really if one variation is strongest or most played then you probably associate the character with that variation first before you think of the others.
because not everybody plays shinnok for tier whoring. duh.
 
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Cerebru

Noob
yes but you have to predict if he is going to meter burn hell spark or not and if you guess he will not do it and he does the meter burn hell spark will track your movement and hit you while you are moving... if you guess that he will meter burn it and he doesn't you wasted to many frames waiting for the meter burn hell spark and now you can't force him to block. .. if you guess right that he will not mb it some characters can punish it with a special move for very low damage. and some characters have a tiny window to run and try to punish it but that is ony if you have a character like cassie who has a fast normal with great range. you tell me how many characters have a normal like cassie does?
Do we have an infinite my friend?
 

Alright RyRy

Florida Kombat
Characters with teleports give BS Shinnok a hard time, Shinnok can also get out zoned. BS Shinnok is very good, but beatable.

And if you think BS is stupid, play Calfs Imposter Shinnok. You will beg to play BS.
 

Jaiyson

100% Jamaican
These Shinnok Boneshaper downplayers!! I swear u guys are the worst. 'but his hell sparks is unsafe ' Yea it is but with the mind game of Shinnok delaying the MB can really make a player hesitant to punish.. d4 hellsparks - great footsie tool and jails and post MB Hellsparks is where Shinnok goes ham- chip and meter building rinse and repeat ... I dont give a damn what anyone else says I agree that BONESHAPER Shinnok is the BEST CHARACTER in MKX.