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Which characters and what should be normalized on them?

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
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make shinnok f41d2~special cancel be able to be armored.
SLIGHTY reduce kung lao's j2, it seems to extend past his hat alot of the time and make tempest hat - 5
fix jaxs b2~special cancel on block
 

C88 Zombieekiler

Up and coming sub zero
kung laos chip, liu kangs dash cancel still being +6, predators d4 being so quick, predators damage, predators hurbox on shoulder cannon. theres more i just cant be fucked to post it
 
make shinnok f41d2~special cancel be able to be armored.
SLIGHTY reduce kung lao's j2, it seems to extend past his hat alot of the time and make tempest hat - 5
fix jaxs b2~special cancel on block
What exactly do you expect to be different if hat spin is -5 instead of -3?
 

navaroNe

Nobody's afraid of Bruce Wayne
Currently I'm terrified of predator. Like I seriously don't think he needs to do anymore than 30 dmg because he is freaking nuts

I know it's too early to call his tier but im seriously scared to see this character in tournament. I honestly think he is far worse than MMH right now
Predator is suppose to be terrifying, watch the movies. How terrifying would he be with a measly 30%? Not enough. Pretty sure I saw him nail a few 100% combos in the movies, consider yourself lucky :p

Personally I despise playing kung jin players online and feel like his NJP is in serious need of a nerf at the very least.
 
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1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
What does the move do? The only situations where you should cancel a hat spin on block is after f2 and b2. It makes his overhead safe.
its a combo starter/extender, anti wake up tool, gives near free run ins when active...should i go on?
-5 it would still be safe (bar cassie)
 
its a combo starter/extender, anti wake up tool, gives near free run ins when active...should i go on?
-5 it would still be safe (bar cassie)
You are mixing everything up. The move being -5 is only when you are making the opponent block it as you activate it. What you are trying to do doesn't even apply to almost everything you just mentioned here. It doesn't give you free run ins it doesn't work that way. Like I said You should only be cancelling into hat spin after f2 or b2. Because he doesn't have a low it should be perfectly fine as it is and f2 hat spin can be armored out of and is still a good mid, it doesnt need adjustments.
 
kano:
cyber: slightly more damage on knives and a lot more on ex knives
cutthroat: slightly extended hitbox on b1
commando: more plus frames on connected parry, f33 choke should connect on hit

112 should not whiff on crouching characters

shinnok: i dont know but nercomancer bs needs to go.
kung lao: temptest is probably still a bit too strong

do for fucks sake NOT buff quan chi.
 

1man3letters

Alpha Tarkatan - Moderator
Moderator
You are mixing everything up. The move being -5 is only when you are making the opponent block it as you activate it. What you are trying to do doesn't even apply to almost everything you just mentioned here. It doesn't give you free run ins it doesn't work that way. Like I said You should only be cancelling into hat spin after f2 or b2. Because he doesn't have a low it should be perfectly fine as it is and f2 hat spin can be armored out of and is still a good mid, it doesnt need adjustments.
ok your clearly set in your opinion, if you dont see how good that move is i dunno what to tell you.
so what if kung lao doesnt have a low combo starter lol

you said yourself not much would change if it was -5 so relax man, this was a thread about peoples opinions, i gave mine, if you dont like it thats fine.
 
ok your clearly set in your opinion, if you dont see how good that move is i dunno what to tell you.
so what if kung lao doesnt have a low combo starter lol

you said yourself not much would change if it was -5 so relax man, this was a thread about peoples opinions, i gave mine, if you dont like it thats fine.
I am discussing this while respecting your opinion, why are you being so defensive? I know the move is really good, please don't put words in my mouth. The change you suggested just doesn't apply to almost everything you just said and that is not a matter of opinion. I just disagree with the change, because you aren't actually providing a reason/justification for the change.